The job centre are not helping. What to do?

jonnygee2

I have no experience of the job centre but I'm with the OP on this, I resent the fact the Govt give foreign aid to countries in Africa and the middle East who hate our way of life and resent everything about us, I'd rather the money go to british people not ready to write themselves off and wanting to live rather than merely exist.

But the foriegn aid package is beside the point. Sure you can argue you'd rather that 0.7% of income spent on aid should be put elsewhere. That doesn't make the OPs business worth funding on the taxpayer.

He can't do accounts or write a business plan. He thinks the business will be unprofitable for over six months, yet has no capital to set it up with. He has significant mental health problems that could be very damaging to the prospects of a small business.

In essence, there is a very good scheme - NEA - to give people on . But the OP cannot prove he has a viable business so isn't eligible. It would be utter madness to just give this benefit out to anyone who asked for it, without asking them to submit a business plan first. It would be even sillier to fund such a move with the international aid budget.

His work coach has the right idea - the best way for him to get off benefits is to get a job.

sangie595

jonnygee2 wrote: »

But the foriegn aid package is beside the point. Sure you can argue you'd rather that 0.7% of income spent on aid should be put elsewhere. That doesn't make the OPs business worth funding on the taxpayer.

He can't do accounts or write a business plan. He thinks the business will be unprofitable for over six months, yet has no capital to set it up with. He has significant mental health problems that could be very damaging to the prospects of a small business.

In essence, there is a very good scheme - NEA - to give people on . But the OP cannot prove he has a viable business so isn't eligible. It would be utter madness to just give this benefit out to anyone who asked for it, without asking them to submit a business plan first. It would be even sillier to fund such a move with the international aid budget.

His work coach has the right idea - the best way for him to get off benefits is to get a job.

Totally agree. The matter here is for the OP to stop talking about what is being in the way of their success, and do something about becoming one. Throwing in foreign aid was just a "kitchen sink" approach to avoiding the real issue. And simply opened for for the racist views to be expressed.

marliepanda

jimbo747 wrote: »

I have no experience of the job centre but I'm with the OP on this, I resent the fact the Govt give foreign aid to countries in Africa and the middle East who hate our way of life and resent everything about us, I'd rather the money go to british people not ready to write themselves off and wanting to live rather than merely exist.

You mention you have sick notes making you unsuitable for employment, what sort of business were you thinking of starting?

Ignorant spouting of rubbish. You are saying everyone in Africa ‘hates our way of life and resent us’? Of course that’s not true, it’s just what idiots like Tommy Robinson would have you believe.

British people have plenty of money and a safety net in benefits. It’s not a free pot of money to faff about with your hobby instead of looking for gainful employment. The only person writing off the OP is the OP. Anyone can write a business plan.

Not_Another_Username

marliepanda clearly doesn't understand my situation, otherwise the tone would be completely different.

I do NOT expect something for nothing. Isn't it called investment? Helping somebody to set up in business? The returns, etc.? Obviously you are disgruntled about something. People like you annoy me intensely, so please don't bother posting anything else on this thread. But let's give 4 billion pounds to African countries for the same thing!

For your information, I have worked all my life, until I became a full-time carer from my disabled wife. My situation dictates that I have to do things differently. As things stand, I have £10 per week for food and household goods, toiletries, etc. It's called poverty and I am desperate to do something to get out of this miserable situation. Do you sleep at night? I don't. I'm too wound up with worry about how I am going to manage.



Thank you ariarnia. Very helpful. I will see my job coach this week and will try to find out more, but I am really tempted to tell the job centre where to go and go it alone. Thanks for the links too.



w06: There should still be a WTC component of UC. Just like there is a JSA and ESA component. Or have the government sneakily got rid of this?

As for the profit and loss forecast and business plans, the NEA help you with this.



Good one sparks6. That's an avenue I hadn't thought about. I may have sorted out a part-time delivery job though.



elsien: What far better ways? Please tell.




marliepanda (again): Deluded with self-importance! Carry on if it amuses you. You are only showing yourself to be the person you are.




donnajunkie: Excellent point. I'll grin and bear it for now. Best not to stir things too much. As I posted above, I could be creating more problems for myself.




sangie595: Another one. If you knew what was going on here, you would understand. I am realistic and I accept my own failings - and I have many, but I do not EXPECT something for nothing and never have.

Oh no, why not take each post at face value? Isn't it just amazing that I am being scrutinised like this? Some of you have been keen to trawl through my previous posts and judge me. I hope you get some kind of weird kind of satisfaction out of this. You clearly feel the need to do it. Very strange.




etc.

After all this I feel like I am a complete fraud! Out of politeness, I won't say quite how I feel at the moment, but I suppose this is the sort of thing I should expect from a public forum. We all have our differing opinions, but you really should be careful before you make accusations like this as other people might be in a less stable frame of mind than me.



Yes, it must be me.

Not_Another_Username

Good grief!

I had no idea there were three pages in this thread. I just 'trawled' through the other two pages. Seems somebody is having fun. I'll have to catch up with the other posts tomorrow as this is doing my head in.

billy2shots

Not_Another_Username wrote: »

marliepanda clearly doesn't understand my situation, otherwise the tone would be completely different.

I do NOT expect something for nothing. Isn't it called investment? Helping somebody to set up in business? The returns, etc.? Obviously you are disgruntled about something. People like you annoy me intensely, so please don't bother posting anything else on this thread. But let's give 4 billion pounds to African countries for the same thing!

For your information, I have worked all my life, until I became a full-time carer from my disabled wife. My situation dictates that I have to do things differently. As things stand, I have £10 per week for food and household goods, toiletries, etc. It's called poverty and I am desperate to do something to get out of this miserable situation. Do you sleep at night? I don't. I'm too wound up with worry about how I am going to manage.



Thank you ariarnia. Very helpful. I will see my job coach this week and will try to find out more, but I am really tempted to tell the job centre where to go and go it alone. Thanks for the links too.



w06: There should still be a WTC component of UC. Just like there is a JSA and ESA component. Or have the government sneakily got rid of this?

As for the profit and loss forecast and business plans, the NEA help you with this.



Good one sparks6. That's an avenue I hadn't thought about. I may have sorted out a part-time delivery job though.



elsien: What far better ways? Please tell.




marliepanda (again): Deluded with self-importance! Carry on if it amuses you. You are only showing yourself to be the person you are.




donnajunkie: Excellent point. I'll grin and bear it for now. Best not to stir things too much. As I posted above, I could be creating more problems for myself.




sangie595: Another one. If you knew what was going on here, you would understand. I am realistic and I accept my own failings - and I have many, but I do not EXPECT something for nothing and never have.

Oh no, why not take each post at face value? Isn't it just amazing that I am being scrutinised like this? Some of you have been keen to trawl through my previous posts and judge me. I hope you get some kind of weird kind of satisfaction out of this. You clearly feel the need to do it. Very strange.




etc.

After all this I feel like I am a complete fraud! Out of politeness, I won't say quite how I feel at the moment, but I suppose this is the sort of thing I should expect from a public forum. We all have our differing opinions, but you really should be careful before you make accusations like this as other people might be in a less stable frame of mind than me.



Yes, it must be me.

I feel for you. You are going through a tough time at the moment but at least you haven't lost your drive and determination. You just need a break to help you out of your current position and it's frustrating when the very place that is there for help is not giving you support.
Sometimes I think the jobcentre might as well just change its name to The Benefits Centre.


Sorry your thread has been invaded by the MSE m4fia. Your current username does not have many posts (the same as me) so it seems we are the hunted and provide sport for certain members. At least you haven't been discriminated against for not having English as your first language so you are still in a better position than me.

ariarnia

Not_Another_Username wrote: »

Thank you ariarnia. Very helpful.

Not a problem. Please come back and let us know what you decide

About this bit:

I am really tempted to tell the job centre where to go and go it alone.

It's really your choice and only you know your circumstances but I'd suggest you re-read what you wrote here and make sure you're making the right choice (not an emotional choice)

My situation dictates that I have to do things differently. As things stand, I have £10 per week for food and household goods, toiletries, etc...I am desperate to do something to get out of this miserable situation.

and for this bit

I do NOT expect something for nothing. Isn't it called investment? Helping somebody to set up in business? The returns, etc.?

That's why you're not eligible for support until they can check your business is viable with the business plan and forecasts. They just need reassurance that you're a good investment.

All of the grants and loans I posted links to will require that same business plan so maybe it's a good idea to play along with the job centre for at least as long as it takes to get a viable business model down on paper?

Especially if you've only got £10 a week even with the benefits you're receiving. £10 a week is better than £0 a week even if it does mean you've got to spend a few hours being told what to do each week when it feels pointless

marliepanda

Investment is of course a marvellous thing, but you want grants, not loans, so you don’t even want to give them the returns!

They have also already invested in you once.

If you want to have a persecution complex then fine, but you can’t get upset about aid to third world countries because a man approaching pension age, especially as you seem to think it won’t turn a profit for over three years, wants to start a new business (after already being funded for another business in the past...) and is upset that they’ve had the audacity to actually ask him to write a business plan...

I’d say you need to grow up but I think you should be done growing. The Africans at least may take the opportunities given to them and run

nicechap

I wonder how much time & effort it took the OP to read the 3 pages, dissect the contents and reply individually as they felt appropriate. I also wonder how much time & effort it would be to write a business plan for a micro business. Finally I wonder what the difference is.

Comms69

OP has £10 for food and toiletries and bills a week.


OP does not want minimum wage full time job which would pay £270(ish) per week


OP prefer to set up business which for 6 months will lose money.


I really don't see how he or she will actually survive!