What's the issue everyone has with parking tickets?

NeilCr

Loadsofchildren123 wrote: »

There was a thread on Mumsnet recently where the poster was parking on unused land which was actually owned by the owners of 3, 5 and 7 Acacia Avenue (for the sake of argument). Another resident (not owner of 3, 5 and 7 and therefore with as much right to park there as the poster, ie none) wanted to park there. Although there was room for both of them, the other person didn't want the poster to park there. So she registered herself with one of the parking companies as a self ticketer, bunged up a sign and started issuing tickets. The PPC carried out no checks at all, and required no evidence at all, of ownership. Slightly different as not an estate, but shows that the PPCs do not require evidence of ownership/authority.

Thanks LoC

Fair enough.

I think that was on here, too. But, she did get the signs (wrongly I agree) herself and, I assume, had an authorisation code/password What I am ruminating on (from my POV as a director of an estate) is an outsider being able to wander in to estates/businesses in an area where there are already signs and take pictures and load them on to the app.

I guess what would worry me more would be the ability for one of our residents "not authorised by the directors" to get the app and start taking pictures on our estate. If we ever (and it is massively unlikely) do go down the PPC self ticketing route I must remember to ask that question!

beamerguy

NeilCr wrote: »

So. The person sets up themselves on the app without any proof of landowner authority etc etc. They then go round town going on to private land taking pictures of "illegally" parked cars which have to be with that particular PPC and upload them

How do they know it is a self ticketing area. Does it say that on the signs?

Have you got a link to a real case where someone from completely outside an estate/business has done this please without landowner authority?

I am enjoying this discussion. Very interesting.

The signs are only obliged to state how much, how long,
and small T&C's. If ANPR is used that must be stated and
that's all

No links apart what we see on here ..... a scam yet to
be exposed by the media

Plus, the Norris is earning money which should be
declared. Maybe HMRC should look into parking companies
to see how many Norris's they pay.

A Norris and warden comes in all different shapes and
sizes and no uniform is required

As we know, a huge number of people just pay up
without question ..... perfect for a PPC and a Norris

NeilCr

beamerguy wrote: »

The signs are only obliged to state how much, how long,
and small T&C's. If ANPR is used that must be stated and
that's all

No links apart what we see on here ..... a scam yet to
be exposed by the media

Plus, the Norris is earning money which should be
declared. Maybe HMRC should look into parking companies
to see how many Norris's they pay.

A Norris and warden comes in all different shapes and
sizes and no uniform is required

As we know, a huge number of people just pay up
without question ..... perfect for a PPC and a Norris

Thanks BeamerGuy.

I thought that about the signs but you guys know more about them than me so wasn't sure.

But that does beg the question how the outsider "Norris" knows there is self ticketing on an estate or at a business in the first place. It doesn't appear to be the norm.

I like our Norrises. Glad Umkomaas introduced him into the discussion!

beamerguy

NeilCr wrote: »

Thanks BeamerGuy.


But that does beg the question how the outsider "Norris" knows there is self ticketing on an estate or at a business in the first place.

!

But they won't, self ticketing is not shown anywhere.
Nothing to stop a bright spark offering his services
to a PPC, even if he lives miles away

Saves paying a warden.

Have signs showing is open to anyone.

Probably not in gated properties

NeilCr

beamerguy wrote: »

But they won't, self ticketing is not shown anywhere.
Nothing to stop a bright spark offering his services
to a PPC, even if he lives miles away

Saves paying a warden.

Have signs showing is open to anyone.

Probably not in gated properties

As you say they won't know which means how do they know when to take a picture. And the signs don't tell them

I can see the offering the services idea but I think that's a stretch which is going to be pretty rare.

And, yes, on the gated private estates which is where I am coming from very, very unlikely. Where we are anyone out of the ordinary soon gets noticed. Our very own Norrises make sure of that.

Bit Royston Vasey!

Umkomaas

But that does beg the question how the outsider "Norris" knows there is self ticketing on an estate or at a business in the first place. It doesn't appear to be the norm.

Neil, not sure whether you've read my post #70 in the melee that has been flying around, and had a look at the link to the UKCPM website's 'Report a Vehicle' section which suggests no parameters like signage, authorisation or the like are in play, simply upload your photos of any car parking you dislike and let UKCPM exact punishment for you.

Almost like revenge !!!!!!!

beamerguy

NeilCr wrote: »

As you say they won't know which means how do they know when to take a picture. And the signs don't tell them

I can see the offering the services idea but I think that's a stretch which is going to be pretty rare.

And, yes, on the gated private estates which is where I am coming from very, very unlikely. Where we are anyone out of the ordinary soon gets noticed. Our very own Norrises make sure of that.

Bit Royston Vasey!

They will take pictures and shown what to do as they
receive a pack

How many do this, we will never know, but more and more
parking companies are offering self ticketing so you must
work that one out for yourself

beamerguy

Umkomaas wrote: »

Neil, not sure whether you've read my post #70 in the melee that has been flying around, and had a look at the link to the UKCPM website's 'Report a Vehicle' section which suggests no parameters like signage, authorisation or the like are in play, simply upload your photos of any car parking you dislike and let UKCPM exact punishment for you.

Almost like revenge !!!!!!!

Says it all does it not

NeilCr

Umkomaas wrote: »

Neil, not sure whether you've read my post #70 in the melee that has been flying around, and had a look at the link to the UKCPM website's 'Report a Vehicle' section which suggests no parameters like signage, authorisation or the like are in play, simply upload your photos of any car parking you dislike and let UKCPM exact punishment for you.

Almost like revenge !!!!!!!

I love revenge !!!!!!! Not really...

I did have a look and must admit assumed that it was for landowners/ManCos etc. Someone who had engaged UKCPM's services. But, on second pass, certainly reads as though it could be someone else. No mention of the "tenner" though! To be fair the rest of their site does talk about services to landowners/businesses etc and I still struggle (from a ManCo pov) about what authority exists for someone to come on to our land and take pictures of "poorly parked" cars and send them to the PPC. Especially given Nosferatu's views on how hard it is for landowners to have the right to introduce parking restrictions/PPCs

While I accept the possible sharp practices do you have a view on that point? From the UKPCM side I get that they are sneaky - that form would be a pretty blatant way of telling people to go on to other folks land and take pictures. Guess it could be construed as trespass on a private estate?

Out of interest I downloaded the app (which is what we have been discussing) and had a go at completing it. You have to state your position (freeholder/MA/landowner), the name and the address of the car park and you have to agree to put up signs which they send you. You get the choice of taking the tenner or not. And there is still the original issue of knowing which site does have self ticketing

ETA

B"""er it. This discussion has got me intrigued so I have emailed UKPCM to ask if anyone can report a vehicle!

Thanks everyone - this has kept me going through the afternoon... intriguing

Snakes_Belly

Slightly off this particular topic and with regard to pay and display car parks are the people that check for transgressions the same as empty the ticket machines?