What's the issue everyone has with parking tickets?

beamerguy

NeilCr wrote: »

Every estate has one!

:cool::cool:

The way I read it we would set up an account as xyz ManCo and only give log in details to those we wanted to have the authority. It doesn't appear that random member of the public can create their own account and go round taking pictures of any offending vehicle wherever it is parked.

There is, certainly, one guy on our estate I wouldn't let anywhere near it - that's for sure

Nasty little scheme.

Any Norris can sign up but they would need the signs
to back them up otherwise it would be pointless.

There are loads of Norris's employed by Tesco in their
small stores

nosferatu1001

Once your signs went up, any Norris can sign up
You would have no control over that
Any way you TRY to restrict the scum, they will simply ignore you.

NeilCr

Thanks guys

Not arguing just discussing

In this article

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/762826/car-parking-app-illegal-report-mobile-app

it says the PPC send the user the signs and then the user can take pictures. It is aimed at small companies, mainly. In the Tesco example, presumably, Tescos tell their staff about the scheme and give them the opportunity to sign up as "snitches"

For us as a ManCo we would create a ManCo account and authorise users.

Are you actually saying that it is possible that an individual can set up their own personal account and go on to private land (I.e our estate) to take pictures.

That's just not how the article reads and there would be no landowner authority at all.

nosferatu1001

There would not be landowner authority in your case, either, unless you had appropriatley varied leases.

That article isnt how it works in practice. Any old tom !!!! and harry can get teh pack and, if there are already signs up, you just ticket yourself.

beamerguy

NeilCr wrote: »

Thanks guys

Not arguing just discussing

In this article

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/762826/car-parking-app-illegal-report-mobile-app

it says the PPC send the user the signs and then the user can take pictures. It is aimed at small companies, mainly. In the Tesco example, presumably, Tescos tell their staff about the scheme and give them the opportunity to sign up as "snitches"

For us as a ManCo we would create a ManCo account and authorise users.

Are you actually saying that it is possible that an individual can set up their own personal account and go on to private land (I.e our estate) to take pictures.

That's just not how the article reads and there would be no landowner authority at all.

yes, the PPC vermin wriggle in anyway they can
In theory you could employ a PPC, let them put up their
signs and thinking all will be managed but up pops a
Norris which if not noticed and not seen, it would appear
that the PPC is doing their job.

TESCO
The PPC gives the store a camera, then a member of
staff is selected to take the pictures.
Who knows what the financial arrangement is, maybe
the PPC pays Tesco and Tesco pays the staff.

The one sure fact, that member of staff needs to be
paid danger money.

NeilCr

nosferatu1001 wrote: »

There would not be landowner authority in your case, either, unless you had appropriatley varied leases.

That article isnt how it works in practice. Any old tom !!!! and harry can get teh pack and, if there are already signs up, you just ticket yourself.

Yep. Realise that about us and landowner authority. So we couldn't do it unless we varied or we were talking about the common areas (not assigned spaces). And yes, we have a catch all in the lease. But, on your argument, nor could Tom, !!!! or Harry.

Have you got anything to say that Tom, !!!! and Harry can set up a personal account, come on to private land and "ticket" residents. I am genuinely interested.

NeilCr

beamerguy wrote: »

yes, the PPC vermin wriggle in anyway they can
In theory you could employ a PPC, let them put up their
signs and thinking all will be managed but up pops a
Norris which if not noticed and not seen, it would appear
that the PPC is doing their job.

TESCO
The PPC gives the store a camera, then a member of
staff is selected to take the pictures.
Who knows what the financial arrangement is, maybe
the PPC pays Tesco and Tesco pays the staff.

The one sure fact, that member of staff needs to be
paid danger money.

Agree re Tesco and danger money! But, the staff do have the landowner "authority" to act on their behalf.

I am talking about "Norris" setting up his own personal account, coming on to private land and "ticketing" one of our residents.

Same question as to nosferatu. Have you something to back up that this can happen? I am, as I said before, genuinely interested.

nosferatu1001

Even then, youre not the landowners of the common spaces, theyre still under lease. You would need to vary the leases again, or obtain a 75% vote.

The catch all cannot derogate from teh grant, at whcih point you are having to prove your scheme to start requiruing people to pay to park on land they part own somehow doesnt derogate from grant. Good luck.

Yes, its how they operate. There were cases on here where someone on a shared car aprk set up and ticketed anyone they didnt like, on the entire car park and not just the bit that was their space.

The point that was made was: if you sign up to this scheme, a norris can sign up to the SAME scheme and issue their own tickets. The PPC genuinely would not give two hoots. They perforn their duties with NO diligience at all, because that costs money.

Umkomaas

Even better, why bother with an app, no need for signage, when you can go around photographing any parking incident you deem to be a transgression, upload it to the UKCPM website and unleash the hounds from hell on your perceived transgressor, under Option 2.

https://www.uk-carparkmanagement.co.uk/report-a-vehicle

Whether there's any pocket money for you from this, or just the sheer, perverse pleasure of putting a whole load of shiite someone's way, is not clear. But UKCPM won't be concerned - yet another victim potentially paying up to avoid the intimidation coming their way!

beamerguy

NeilCr wrote: »

I am talking about "Norris" setting up his own personal account, coming on to private land and "ticketing" one of our residents.

Same question as to nosferatu. Have you something to back up that this can happen? I am, as I said before, genuinely interested.

Doubt the residents would know if it was a Norris or
an employed warden.

There is nothing to back this up but in this scam industry
anything can happen and it's certainly very possible for
a Norris to act.

There was a thread not long ago where a resident was
ticketed at 1am in the morning a few times
That was not a warden