What's the issue everyone has with parking tickets?

NeilCr

SnakesBelly

Oh yes definitely. Nice, understanding post. Thank you!

We have one visitor space for 69 properties. I know the builder well (he still lives on the estate) and he wanted to have more spaces but the council would not allow it. All this means (although I understand why they said it) is that some residents park off the estate and add to an already difficult parking problem in our town. Opposite where I live someone has just built eight new houses with no parking on a main road!

On both estates I have lived on the use of allocated spaces has been of little issue (although I know it happens elsewhere). We have had the odd occasion where someone has parked in someone else's space but it usually gets sorted. It does have a knock on effect - affected person parks in another space and so on. As I've said before it happens when Letting Agents give poor or the wrong information to tenants.

During the day vans for tradesmen doing work on a house or flat do it (I've had a BT van in my space) but residents understand and some are out at work, anyway, so it's no biggie.

I agree with you re the other areas. Here, any ongoing problem we have is with the access road. We do allow some parking on it but there are parts where it is too narrow and some park there. In my block in London we had quite a few visitor spaces for the size and, anyway, some didn't have cars so it was fine.

I do think there are differences between residential and business parking. One, from the MAs POV, is that they will get the affected residents directly in their ear. And, from my own experience, I know what that is like. People know you are a director and knock on your door. I have had residents on at me to move someone's car from their space there and then. Oh and sort out their Sky TV.! With a business it is the shop/whoever who are going to get it from the customers and will then engage with the MA on how to sort it. With us it is the other way round, mostly. The MA comes to us because they have had residents screaming at them. The MA advises but, usually, in the end it is the business/ManCo/freeholder who make the decision to bring in a PPC. Misguided or not!

I understand the sentiments around the PPC causing problems for more residents. As most will know I strongly disagree with ticketing in an own, allocated space. Policing estate roads and any non owned spaces is different and cannot be settled, so easily, by reference to the lease or the introduction of parking posts (my preferred solution and one not available to businesses). Having said that I can see how aggravating it becomes when someone does park regularly in your space. Another difference between residential and businesses is that it can become very personal, very quickly on an estate.

To me it is so so annoying that a minority of selfish parkers can have such an impact and get away with it. With us, one resident who parked in such a way to impede large vehicles (waste disposal lorries/emergency vehicles) did cause us biggish problems. Communal waste was not collected and, had there been a fire there would have been a delay. And, yes I know that they push past cars etc, but this was on a tight turn and to get access it would have taken time. And this is an example of when all residents can be affected by the actions of one.

When I became a director our then Property Manager said that on communal estates there are always three main issues. Parking, rubbish and noise. She wasn't wrong!

Guys_Dad

NeilCr wrote: »

SnakesBelly

Oh yes definitely. Nice, understanding post. Thank you!

We have one visitor space for 69 properties. I know the builder well (he still lives on the estate) and he wanted to have more spaces but the council would not allow it.

If that is the case and lack of parking was known from the start, and parking in residents' spaces isn't really a problem, then why was a PPC hired in the first place?

PPC don't stop cars parking - they just cream money from them but leave the car there causing the same obstruction it was causing, if any.

NeilCr

Guys_Dad wrote: »

If that is the case and lack of parking was known from the start, and parking in residents' spaces isn't really a problem, then why was a PPC hired in the first place?

PPC don't stop cars parking - they just cream money from them but leave the car there causing the same obstruction it was causing, if any.

We haven't got a PPC. And have never had one.

We briefly considered it last year to deal with the issue detailed later in my post above. Which was where an extremely selfish resident regularly parked on our access road in a way to block large vehicles - fire engines/waste disposal lorries. Had we gone ahead it would have been self ticketing with no PPC reps on site.

In the end the tenant moved away before any action was taken

LawlessGoose

NeilCr wrote: »

We haven't got a PPC. And have never had one.

We briefly considered it last year to deal with the issue detailed later in my post above. Which was where an extremely selfish resident regularly parked on our access road in a way to block large vehicles - fire engines/waste disposal lorries. Had we gone ahead it would have been self ticketing with no PPC reps on site.

In the end the tenant moved away before any action was taken

How does self-ticketing work?

NeilCr

LawlessGoose wrote: »

How does self-ticketing work?

PPC puts signs up on your estate. Then the directors (in our case anyway) take pictures of any vehicles breaking the rules which are uploaded to the PPCs site - who then send out a ticket. These tickets can be cancelled by the ManCo - that was something we would have been definite about.

Unfortunately, some PPCs offer an incentive for this to be done (£10 per ticket?) which I find abhorrent. There was no way we would have taken that - we just wanted the problem sorted.

Umkomaas

A resident (think Norris Cole) spots someone parking in a way he doesn't like, pops out in the dead of night, takes a couple of photos, uploads them to the PPCs website, goes back to bed.

Motorist gets £100 charge in the post, Norris gets a £10 cheque.

All Norris needs to have done prior to getting snapping is to register with the PPC as one of their army of sneaks. There's even an app to download from one PPC, the most prolific of all residential parking enforcers - UKCPM!

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/new-car-park-app-pays-users-pay-snitch-10-reward-illegal-parking-vehicles-a7560881.html

NeilCr

Umkomaas wrote: »

A resident (think Norris Cole) spots someone parking in a way he doesn't like, pops out in the dead of night, takes a couple of photos, uploads them to the PPCs website, goes back to bed.

Motorist gets £100 charge in the post, Norris gets a £10 cheque.

All Norris needs to have done prior to getting snapping is to register with the PPC as one of their army of sneaks. There's even an app to download from one PPC, the most prolific of all residential parking enforcers - UKCPM!

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/new-car-park-app-pays-users-pay-snitch-10-reward-illegal-parking-vehicles-a7560881.html

I always thought poor old Norris was deeply misunderstood!

On a residential estate you'd have to make it clear to the PPC who had authority to take the pictures to avoid random snooper getting the ten quid.

beamerguy

NeilCr wrote: »

I always thought poor old Norris was deeply misunderstood!

On a residential estate you'd have to make it clear to the PPC who had authority to take the pictures to avoid random snooper getting the ten quid.

You never know, at any time, any day, a Norris could be lurking
around trying to collect £10

nigelbb

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=74699402&postcount=44

Redx wrote: »

what a superb summation of this "criminal racket"

Hear! Hear!

Just to add that it's a big fat lie that PPCs provide parking management when they do nothing of the sort. PPCs are just revenue generating machines for their owners (often obscure &/or with shady backgrounds). The only income PPCs have is from "fining" motorists so if their parking management was effective there would be no transgressions & they would have no income. Thus with residential cases once all problem parkers have been deterred the only source of income left is minor transgressions by residents. Likewise penalising retail customers to the detriment of the retailers.

NeilCr

beamerguy wrote: »

You never know, at any time, any day, a Norris could be lurking
around trying to collect £10

Every estate has one!

:cool::cool:

The way I read it we would set up an account as xyz ManCo and only give log in details to those we wanted to have the authority. It doesn't appear that random member of the public can create their own account and go round taking pictures of any offending vehicle wherever it is parked.

There is, certainly, one guy on our estate I wouldn't let anywhere near it - that's for sure

Nasty little scheme.