What's the issue everyone has with parking tickets?

onlyfoolsandparking

[QUOTE=I_get_that_the_punishments_are_a_bit_OTT,_but_there's_no_need_to_pay_them_if_you_park_considerately_and_don't_over_stay.__Unless_the_issue_is_that_the_PPCs_are_being_fraudulent_(issuing_tickets_when_the_driver_has_done_nothing_wrong),_then_I'm_not_sure_I_see_the_argument_(other_than_sour_grapes).[/QUOTE]


And that is EXACTLY it your not SEEING the argument. PPC,s are operating fraudulently. Whether a driver has done wrong or nothing wrong is not the point they are acting illegally and so until a fair, balanced Lawful approach is taken by these PPC,s people will take them to task and rightly so.


From the short time I have been on the Forum I am already seeing that the PPC,s abuse their limited powers, treat the courts like their own private debt collection agency and make us HAVE to prove they are NOT operating lawfully, this cannot be right and surely cannot go on

Deastons

nosferatu1001 wrote: »

You dont see the argument?
Read some threads properly then

THeyre parasites. They dont offer an actual service of any use. Say you engage them and someoen parks in YOUR space - that person get s aticket, but YOU cannot park in your space (still) and if you park anywhere else YOU get a ticket as well!

You are either a shill or just so woefully underinformed you need to spend time and effort understanding the issue youve deccided to opine upon.

My local supermarket has a very small car park and although you can only park there for two hours, because it's free, very central and there's no enforcement, the car park is always full of people who don't actually shop in the supermarket. So much so, I don't even bother trying to park there anymore and choose the pay and display car park down the road.

I'd love a PPC company to enforce the rules in that car park, then I may actually be able to park there.

Deastons

onlyfoolsandparking wrote: »

And that is EXACTLY it your not SEEING the argument. PPC,s are operating fraudulently. Whether a driver has done wrong or nothing wrong is not the point they are acting illegally and so until a fair, balanced Lawful approach is taken by these PPC,s people will take them to task and rightly so.


From the short time I have been on the Forum I am already seeing that the PPC,s abuse their limited powers, treat the courts like their own private debt collection agency and make us HAVE to prove they are NOT operating lawfully, this cannot be right and surely cannot go on

So they're issuing tickets where they shouldn't be? Surely the onus is on the PPC to prove you've done wrong. If they can't prove it, they can't insist you pay the fine. So where's the problem?

System

So where's the problem?

Fraud - proven in two cases. Harassment. Abuse of court processes. Misuse of personal data.

You'll need to read a bit more as you appear to have a simplistic approach to this.

I forgot forgery - knew there was F in something else.

warehouse

Deastons wrote: »

My local supermarket has a very small car park and although you can only park there for two hours, because it's free, very central and there's no enforcement, the car park is always full of people who don't actually shop in the supermarket. So much so, I don't even bother trying to park there anymore and choose the pay and display car park down the road.

I'd love a PPC company to enforce the rules in that car park, then I may actually be able to park there.

It would sensible to have rules in that car park where people got fined for misuse and it would soon stop it. I'd say a £5 fine would soon deter people and be enough to stop the problem.

What value fine would you say is fair?

waamo

Deastons wrote: »

So they're issuing tickets where they shouldn't be? Surely the onus is on the PPC to prove you've done wrong. If they can't prove it, they can't insist you pay the fine. So where's the problem?

That isn't correct. The don't have to prove anything when you get a ticket.

Companies have been found manipulating photos to ticket people that have done nothing wrong. The only come back was a short suspension from accessing The DVLA database. That probably had very little effect on them as most people simply pay up when they get a ticket.

nosferatu1001

Deastons wrote: »

My local supermarket has a very small car park and although you can only park there for two hours, because it's free, very central and there's no enforcement, the car park is always full of people who don't actually shop in the supermarket. So much so, I don't even bother trying to park there anymore and choose the pay and display car park down the road.

I'd love a PPC company to enforce the rules in that car park, then I may actually be able to park there.

So the supermarket shouold use barriers
Or a charge to pay that gets refunded in store
MUCH betetr than a PPC, whcih WILL harass *legitimtate* customers of the store, because

They
Are
Their
Only
Income

You're too ill informed to share your opinion here. Please educate yourself first, then come back. A couple pages back should do it. Chop chop.

onlyfoolsandparking

Deastons wrote: »

So they're issuing tickets where they shouldn't be? Surely the onus is on the PPC to prove you've done wrong. If they can't prove it, they can't insist you pay the fine. So where's the problem?

Of course the onus is on the PPC to prove you've done wrong and THIS is where the problem is. Any one who receives a PCN has to jump through excessive hoops asking the PPC,s to show the proof, they have to get involved in endless letter writing (which are usually ignored or NOT given the answers to) deal with nasty harassing intimidating (for some) Debt letters and then to top it off go to court and deal with the pressure of that!!!!


It appears to me that the only way of getting the PPC,s to prove you owe the Debt IS to go to court where 99% of the time THEY CANNOT PROVE!! you owe it.


Now if you don't see that as a problem all credit to you but for me I've got better things to do with my time, unfortunately I am in that position where I will probably have to get a Judge to tell the PPC I'm dealing with they HAVE NO PROOF!! that surely cannot be right, would you agree?

Umkomaas

Deastons wrote: »

My local supermarket has a very small car park and although you can only park there for two hours, because it's free, very central and there's no enforcement, the car park is always full of people who don't actually shop in the supermarket. So much so, I don't even bother trying to park there anymore and choose the pay and display car park down the road.

I'd love a PPC company to enforce the rules in that car park, then I may actually be able to park there.

You seem to have discounted (or through sheer lack of any understanding) the possibility that the original granting of planning permission for the supermarket included the stipulation that the car park was also for use for people patronising any other establishments in the town centre. It happens. And maybe that's why the supermarket is powerless to engage a PPC to do the 'fining' you seem to desperately crave there.

You really are firing off in any random directions without doing any research for a subject that, with every post you make, you confirm you have nothing but a very superficial grasp.

Your 'education' would be much better facilitated through plenty of reading of this forum, rather than sending more shot into the air, hoping to deliver a fatal blow against our vastly superior knowledge of the subject you have rumbled up with. :cool:

beamerguy

Deastons wrote: »

So they're issuing tickets where they shouldn't be? Surely the onus is on the PPC to prove you've done wrong. If they can't prove it, they can't insist you pay the fine. So where's the problem?

Would suggest that before you make so many off the cuff
statements, you actually fully understand about the
private parking industry... currently you don't