Looking for information on how to help cousin come to UK for work

Red-Squirrel_2

sangie595 wrote: »

I think people need to realise that they are talking about very different things. Care work and the medical profession are not the same thing! Looking after people with dementia is not an unskilled job. Giving a bed bath to an elderly person is something anyone can learn.

It isn't medical professionals who are doing all the caring for people with dementia, its 'unskilled' low paid carers.

Anyone can learn how to give a bed bath, but if it were you on the receiving end would you want the person doing it to be there just because they had no other options?

sangie595

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

It isn't medical professionals who are doing all the caring for people with dementia, its 'unskilled' low paid carers.

Anyone can learn how to give a bed bath, but if it were you on the receiving end would you want the person doing it to be there just because they had no other options?

Well, unless I was paying for it myself then I'd have no other options, would I? And yes, there are low skilled and unskilled people doing caring work with some dementia sufferers. There is some unskilled and low skilled work that needs doing!

But you are still avoiding the point. Tell me how you will pay for all this caring work and other health and social services to remain free whilst supporting people who won't work with benefits, and I'll hop on board. Caring work is a red herring here. Putting people from other countries into jobs that our own people won't do, whatever the job is, is unaffordable. If you can make it affordable, tell us how you'll do it. If you can do that, I'll be happy to take as many Filipinos, or anyone else, that want to come and work here. I'd be perfectly happy to drop all immigration controls if someone could explain how that protects jobs and social / health care, and employment conditions (that'll be interesting since its already been pointed out that one of the reasons employers want foreign workers is because they accept poor or illegal working conditions!) - to say nothing of how we afford that bill for all the "workers" who don't want to work. How do we afford it? I've asked you this multiple times. You haven't explained it.

Comms69

Just to add, that often foreign workers, especially low or unskilled workers who don't intend to permanently reside, don't keep the money 'in-house', whereas domestic workers are likely to.


I'm not suggesting we tell people what they do with their money but it is a real issue.

ohreally

In Scotland social care workers are required by law to register with a regulatory body and this will require a qual such as HNC/SVQ111. Perhaps similar could be considered by other home nations.

Social workers, social work students and many groups of social service workers are required by law to register with the SSSC if they are not registered with another regulatory body.

http://www.sssc.uk.com/registration/do-i-need-to-register/who-should-apply-to-register

Tabbytabitha

ohreally wrote: »

In Scotland social care workers are required by law to register with a regulatory body and this will require a qual such as HNC/SVQ111. Perhaps similar could be considered by other home nations.



http://www.sssc.uk.com/registration/do-i-need-to-register/who-should-apply-to-register

HNC equates to the first year of a degree - if this were introduced there'd be no care workers at all!

brewthebear

Surely the pay is better in Dubai or at least on par. I do not see how coming to UK will benefit his wages in any way. Does not sound genuine to me !!

Red-Squirrel_2

sangie595 wrote: »

Well, unless I was paying for it myself then I'd have no other options, would I? And yes, there are low skilled and unskilled people doing caring work with some dementia sufferers. There is some unskilled and low skilled work that needs doing!

But you are still avoiding the point. Tell me how you will pay for all this caring work and other health and social services to remain free whilst supporting people who won't work with benefits, and I'll hop on board. Caring work is a red herring here. Putting people from other countries into jobs that our own people won't do, whatever the job is, is unaffordable. If you can make it affordable, tell us how you'll do it. If you can do that, I'll be happy to take as many Filipinos, or anyone else, that want to come and work here. I'd be perfectly happy to drop all immigration controls if someone could explain how that protects jobs and social / health care, and employment conditions (that'll be interesting since its already been pointed out that one of the reasons employers want foreign workers is because they accept poor or illegal working conditions!) - to say nothing of how we afford that bill for all the "workers" who don't want to work. How do we afford it? I've asked you this multiple times. You haven't explained it.

For a start, I don't see any reason why we shouldn't be happy to have a fair number of foreign workers here. Immigration has only enriched the country in my view.

There aren't huge numbers of work shy benefits claimants, they aren't the drain on the public purse you are suggesting they are.

I'd like to see jobs like caring be viewed with the respect they deserve, with better pay and training and progression opportunities. Same for lots of other jobs.

When private firms are milking the NHS and the public sector dry to provide poor quality public services and still managing to pocket a fortune, I don't understand why you think there isn't money to be saved! Saving money isn't this government's goal, they just want to redirect it into private hands.

Ames

There used to be a poster who worked in a care home and couldn't understand why he kept getting in trouble for things like serving food too hot and not checking the temperature of a bath before helping a resident into it.

Ever since then I've been annoyed whenever someone out of work is told 'just get a job in a care home, they're ten a penny and anyone can do it'. I doubt those posters would be too happy if it were their relative getting par boiled to keep someone off the dole.

ETA: Just re read my post and realised it could be misconstrued - the poster wasn't deliberately harming people, and he really wanted to work in care. He just couldn't grasp why what he was doing was dangerous and had the potential to cause serious harm. He was clueless, not malicious.

sangie595

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

For a start, I don't see any reason why we shouldn't be happy to have a fair number of foreign workers here. Immigration has only enriched the country in my view.

There aren't huge numbers of work shy benefits claimants, they aren't the drain on the public purse you are suggesting they are.

I'd like to see jobs like caring be viewed with the respect they deserve, with better pay and training and progression opportunities. Same for lots of other jobs.

When private firms are milking the NHS and the public sector dry to provide poor quality public services and still managing to pocket a fortune, I don't understand why you think there isn't money to be saved! Saving money isn't this government's goal, they just want to redirect it into private hands.

You still haven't explained how you are going to make all these things affordable. It's fun living in cloud cuckoo land, but - again - how will you enrich the country with immigrants whilst having free, high quality social care and health care AND paying out benefits.

You see, all these individual statements are lovely and nobody could disagree with them. It's nice to enrich the country through diversity. I agree. It's lovely to have a free medical service. I agree. It's fab to believe that social care should be plentiful and free. I agree. And befits should provide people a reasonable income so that nobody goes without the basics of food, heat, water and a home... I am all in favour....

Where is the money to pay for all this coming from? You still haven't answered....

And by the way, if you actually really knew that much about social care, you would know that that many major players in the private sector are pulling out of it entirely because it actually does not make much profit, and the more that workers get their rights and better conditions, the less profit there is! Our local ambulance service, for example, run by a private company. That company had just handed the contract back because they aren't making money. Councils are now increasingly finding it impossible to find companies to bid for contracts.

Why do you think that Filipino workers and the like are in such demand by employers? Because they haven't heard of the working time regulations, they think that all work is zero hours, they don't fight for their rights, they have no investment in staying here, and it's pretty likely that a fair few of them either don't know about minimum wages or are happy to work for less to have work. That is the cultural enrichment you are advocating. Drive down wages and conditions with cheap foreign labour, why don't you?

The problem is that you still haven't demonstrated how to do all this and survive. Charities with long histories of social care are beginning to pull out of social care because they can't make it pay for itself. And they make no profits. If they can't do it, how will private companies? Look at where private companies are investing their contracts, and you'll see where the money is being made - it's being made in the services that people pay for. Private medicine. Private social care.

Unless something changes rapidly, we are no more than a decade, and probably less, away from no benefits, no health service, and no social care for the majority of the population. Nobody yet knows what comes after "developed country". Unless we are very careful, within the lifetime of some people on this board, we will find out. I don't think it's going to be anything good though.

YoungBlueEyes

There are huge numbers of work shy benefits claimants.

Anyone remember Emma Harrison and A4E? Not for what it finally descended into, but for the purpose of her company? To get welfare claimants back to work.

She was hardly the only company out there doing it. It's a massive problem.

ETA - both the claimants and these companies are a huge drain on the public purse.