Looking for information on how to help cousin come to UK for work

Red-Squirrel_2

sangie595 wrote: »

But we did not require to import people to do this work because they're are plenty of people not working who could do it.

Could but aren't. We don't want to force anybody into this work, that's really unfair on the people they would be responsible for.

I'd rather a Filipino carer with a work ethic and some compassion looked after my loved one than a Brit who had been sent against their will by the jobcentre!

sangie595

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

Could but aren't. We don't want to force anybody into this work, that's really unfair on the people they would be responsible for.

I'd rather a Filipino carer with a work ethic and some compassion looked after my loved one than a Brit who had been sent against their will by the jobcentre!

I'm not convinced that being willing to be exploited by a foreign country because it's better than home is actually a work ethic. And you can't comment on whether there's compassion or not - nobody knows that. I do appreciate the point you are making, but equally, what is your long term plan? Your loved one might be fine with the Filipino that you pay for. Maybe you can afford it. But we have an aging population with the associated health conditions and frailty. Where are we going to get the money to pay for those people, to pay them decent pensions after many years of working, and to provide decent support for people who are out of work or ill through no fault of their own? There is no endless purse, no golden goose. Because I actually think that pensions and benefits for those that need them are scandalously low and need to be improved. I think our health and care sector is in crisis and needs a massive injection of money. Where is it coming from? I may be to the left of the political spectrum, but even I can do maths. We cannot spend more than we have. We ought to live in a decent and civilised society that values and supports its members. We will not be able to have both though. Either people must work. Or we import people to do the jobs that need doing and which we could do for ourselves, then, in the very near future, there will be no benefits, and no health service, and no careb for anybody's loved ones - unless the fortunate few who have enough money pay for it themselves. We aren't that far off that day now....

TELLIT01

sangie595 wrote: »

Your loved one might be fine with the Filipino that you pay for. Maybe you can afford it.

I didn't see anything suggesting that the poster intended to employ anybody directly. The very valid point being made was that they (and I) would rather be cared for by somebody who really wants to do the job than by somebody who has been forced to do it. Think back to the cases in recent years of mistreatment of people in care homes. The vast majority of those convicted have been Brits. It would suggest that Philipino nationals in the care sector are there because the genuinely do care about people.

sitesafe

It's sad that people treat care work as unskilled. You have to take and regularly update your training, usually at your own expense, - first aid, food hygiene, moving and handling, mental capacity, safeguarding adults, infection control, medication, equality and diversity, health and safety etc etc as well as be expected to work towards an nvq/ncfe qualification. Also a DBS check - I think they go back 10 years of address history but if the applicant isn't from the UK or not been here that long I'm not sure how they can just rely on that country's equivalent police check as I'm not sure if they're all as thorough but obviously they do.... You are often expected to have a car to take clients out. What's sad is that care has been made easy to get into, so many enter the profession for that reason - and not always because they want to be a carer but because it's an opportunity to get work.

sitesafe

TELLIT01 wrote: »

I didn't see anything suggesting that the poster intended to employ anybody directly. The very valid point being made was that they (and I) would rather be cared for by somebody who really wants to do the job than by somebody who has been forced to do it. Think back to the cases in recent years of mistreatment of people in care homes. The vast majority of those convicted have been Brits. It would suggest that Philipino nationals in the care sector are there because the genuinely do care about people.

Really? All of them?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3715510/killer-nurse-who-poisoned-19-patients-at-nhs-hospital-got-almost-800k-in-legal-aid-more-than-the-compo-paid-to-all-his-victims-combined/

PersianCatLady

_shel wrote: »

Agree. We have plenty of supermarket and costa worker who don't need visas.

I wasn't being mean but I don't know why the previous poster made that comment.

Red-Squirrel_2

sitesafe wrote: »

It's sad that people treat care work as unskilled. You have to take and regularly update your training, usually at your own expense, - first aid, food hygiene, moving and handling, mental capacity, safeguarding adults, infection control, medication, equality and diversity, health and safety etc etc as well as be expected to work towards an nvq/ncfe qualification. Also a DBS check - I think they go back 10 years of address history but if the applicant isn't from the UK or not been here that long I'm not sure how they can just rely on that country's equivalent police check as I'm not sure if they're all as thorough but obviously they do.... You are often expected to have a car to take clients out. What's sad is that care has been made easy to get into, so many enter the profession for that reason - and not always because they want to be a carer but because it's an opportunity to get work.

I know, it would be interesting to see how some of the people who consider it unskilled would cope with a few violent wandering incontinent dementia sufferers.

sitesafe

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

I know, it would be interesting to see how some of the people who consider it unskilled would cope with a few violent wandering incontinent dementia sufferers.

Or if someone needed CPR in an emergency ...

sangie595

TELLIT01 wrote: »

I didn't see anything suggesting that the poster intended to employ anybody directly. The very valid point being made was that they (and I) would rather be cared for by somebody who really wants to do the job than by somebody who has been forced to do it. Think back to the cases in recent years of mistreatment of people in care homes. The vast majority of those convicted have been Brits. It would suggest that Philipino nationals in the care sector are there because the genuinely do care about people.

I didn't either. My point is that they will have to pay for it unless someone works out how to afford keeping people who won't work as opposed to keeping people who can't through no fault of their own.

And please...! If there are no Filipino people compared to British people in care work that might account for the low conviction rate too. There haven't been many U.S. citizens convicted either, but that doesn't make Americans compassionate. In other words, your maths and statistics are really poor!

sangie595

I think people need to realise that they are talking about very different things. Care work and the medical profession are not the same thing! Looking after people with dementia is not an unskilled job. Giving a bed bath to an elderly person is something anyone can learn. I recently had carers of my own for a short period. They visited for ten minutes twice a day and did things like put out my rubbish. Is that a skilled job??? And they were employed by the Council to provide carer support. I very much appreciated the job they did, but that doesn't make them compassionate or skilled - it makes them employed. As for CPR - I'm trained in it. As are many people these days. And in most of our cities and towns now you can find public access defibrillators. Does that make us all skilled? No. Those things are not that hard!

Valuing care work is important. People deserve to be valued for the worth they do whether that is care work or filling the shelves at the supermarket. But that doesn't make either something that you need years of study to do, and nor does it support an argument that we should import workers to do these roles when we have unemployed here who should be working.

Of course, I'm happy to completely change my position as soon as someone explains how we afford our social and health services when all the staff are cheaply employed foreigners, and nobody here is working! It's all very well arguing for open borders and unfettered immigration. Which is actually what you are doing - but how do we pay for it?