any housewives out there?

fibonarchie

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

I really want to know what people who believe women should stop working when they have children say when their daughters tell them they want to be a doctor or an astronaut, or a judge or a hairdresser or a florist or a scientist or the prime minister.

To be fair I think the original discussion was about whether housewives should be paid a wage. From there we got on to discussing whether or not being a housewife is an important job.

People who have well paid proper careers (lawyer, doctor, judge, barrister ..and so on) will probably have sufficient nous and income to be able to hire a nanny or an au pair if they need one, and a cleaner! Fair enough, IMO

But those who claim to be in paid employment yet are able to spend a lot of time during the day and night chatting on an internet forum can't be doing that important a 'job', - think about it. When on earth are they supposed to be working in this 'important career' :rotfl: Think some of them just like to tell a bunch of strangers on the internet how important they are :rotfl:


Sadly it's the children (and hence society as a whole) who bear the consequences of being dumped in childcare from morning till evening, eating fast food and left to occupy themselves with iPhones and the internet.


I will say again, though, the original topic was whether or not housewives should be paid a wage for the work they do. I haven't yet calculated it, but I think if you factored in wages for childcare, cooking and cleaning, and all the other things a good housekeeper does for free, it'd come to quite a bit. £48k I think was the figure given in the radio programme (which I'm sure people contributing to this thread have all listened to )

Red-Squirrel_2

fibonarchie wrote: »

To be fair I think the original discussion was about whether housewives should be paid a wage. From there we got on to discussing whether or not being a housewife is an important job.

People who have well paid proper careers (lawyer, doctor, judge, barrister ..and so on) will probably have sufficient nous and income to be able to hire a nanny or an au pair if they need one, and a cleaner! Fair enough, IMO

But those who claim to be in paid employment yet are able to spend a lot of time during the day and night chatting on an internet forum can't be doing that important a 'job', - think about it. When on earth are they supposed to be working in this 'important career' :rotfl: Think some of them just like to tell a bunch of strangers on the internet how important they are :rotfl:


Sadly it's the children (and hence society as a whole) who bear the consequences of being dumped in childcare from morning till evening, eating fast food and left to occupy themselves with iPhones and the internet.


I will say again, though, the original topic was whether or not housewives should be paid a wage for the work they do. I haven't yet calculated it, but I think if you factored in wages for childcare, cooking and cleaning, and all the other things a good housekeeper does for free, it'd come to quite a bit. £48k I think was the figure given in the radio programme (which I'm sure people contributing to this thread have all listened to )

None of that actually answered my question.

fibonarchie

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

None of that actually answered my question.

Probably because it was a redundant and largely irrelevant question, which was based on incorrect assumptions.

And I note you didn't answer mine

Red-Squirrel_2

fibonarchie wrote: »

Probably because it was a redundant and largely irrelevant question, which was based on incorrect assumptions.

I don't expect anybody it was aimed at to answer it, too uncomfortable, no decent answer possible.

fibonarchie

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

I don't expect anybody it was aimed at to answer it, too uncomfortable, no decent answer possible.

Yes, that'll be it...

JWM

fibonarchie wrote: »

To be fair I think the original discussion was about whether housewives should be paid a wage. From there we got on to discussing whether or not being a housewife is an important job.

People who have well paid proper careers (lawyer, doctor, judge, barrister ..and so on) will probably have sufficient nous and income to be able to hire a nanny or an au pair if they need one, and a cleaner! Fair enough, IMO

But those who claim to be in paid employment yet are able to spend a lot of time during the day and night chatting on an internet forum can't be doing that important a 'job', - think about it. When on earth are they supposed to be working in this 'important career' :rotfl: Think some of them just like to tell a bunch of strangers on the internet how important they are :rotfl:


Sadly it's the children (and hence society as a whole) who bear the consequences of being dumped in childcare from morning till evening, eating fast food and left to occupy themselves with iPhones and the internet.


I will say again, though, the original topic was whether or not housewives should be paid a wage for the work they do. I haven't yet calculated it, but I think if you factored in wages for childcare, cooking and cleaning, and all the other things a good housekeeper does for free, it'd come to quite a bit. £48k I think was the figure given in the radio programme (which I'm sure people contributing to this thread have all listened to )

What a pile of carp.


You are simply wasting everyone's time.


I'm out.

ska_lover

Can't believe it has took people 11 pages to realise what a self important crock, this whole thread is tbh.

maman

maman wrote: »

I've not posted on this thread for a while as I'm convinced that the OP was just a WUM. However, many posters are putting valid arguments which although I disagree with many are genuinely held.

maman wrote: »

I'm beginning to think that fibonarchie is living up to the name.:D

Certainly not taking the clown seriously but interesting discussion if you ignore him.

fred246

I was very happy to support my wife when the children were young. As they got older I would look at the finances and imagine what would happen if I was ill or couldn't work I would ask her what year she was planning to return to work. She would just smile and walk away. As I asked and asked it became clear that her plan was to never work again. How could I make her? Tell the GP? Phone the police? Social Worker? There was absolutely nothing I could do. I could withold her money (financial abuse I have heard women call it) or I could pack my job in. Would we lose the house? Would she get a job then? The only comfort I could get was that I was not alone.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/how-do-life/201509/addressing-refuse-work-syndrome%3famp

Red-Squirrel_2

fred246 wrote: »

I was very happy to support my wife when the children were young. As they got older I would look at the finances and imagine what would happen if I was ill or couldn't work I would ask her what year she was planning to return to work. She would just smile and walk away. As I asked and asked it became clear that her plan was to never work again. How could I make her? Tell the GP? Phone the police? Social Worker? There was absolutely nothing I could do. I could withold her money (financial abuse I have heard women call it) or I could pack my job in. Would we lose the house? Would she get a job then? The only comfort I could get was that I was not alone.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/how-do-life/201509/addressing-refuse-work-syndrome%3famp

Did you not discuss the topic before you got married and had children?