Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

StevieJ

Before the next Referendum takes place we really do need a way of informing the electorate about the implications of Brexit without the insane bias shown so far.

Chancellor Philip Hammond publishes letter warning no deal Brexit would make the UK £150 billion poorer over 15 years.


EEYORE Hammond launches Project fear (pt2) screams the Daily Mail.

At least Dominic Raab has made a start (probably through gritted teeth) with his advisories for business and the public.

buglawton

phillw wrote: »

...By definition you have to be intolerant to vote leave. You did not want to tolerate foreigners coming here to work and contribute to our economy. You did not want to tolerate paying money to the EU in lieu of import duties. You did not want equal laws protecting all people no matter what country they came from...

A very warped view of remain voters then. Even before full Brexit we are rebalancing our immigrant labour from the EU to the the rest of the world and this will automatically be upping the skill level of those qualifying for leave to remain.
Which is exactly what I was hoping for.

And we will work within UN terms regarding human rights, with our Parliament legislating best practices for the UK. No need for the EU mandarins to usurp that role.

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

Would it not be possible to sort out a means by which component parts can be shipped between EU and U.K. without needing to be checked at border.

Like some sort of customs union or single market?


It may be possible to have some kind of pre-authorization system like exists for some small items already (I've had stuff shipped from the US with duties pre-paid). It'd result in a lot of additional admin work for the shipping company, as well as whoever processes the paperwork. It'd also necessarily require some level or random checking to make sure that what's being pre-cleared is what's actually in the truck.


You may able to be do something similar for the drivers & trucks themselves, but again you'd need loads more staff to manage it and random spot checks.


The only way to get a truck of goods between EU/UK without any overhead or delays is to be within the customs union with all 4 freedoms intact.

ukcarper

StevieJ wrote: »

Before the next Referendum takes place we really do need a way of informing the electorate about the implications of Brexit without the insane bias shown so far.




At least Dominic Raab has made a start (probably through gritted teeth) with his advisories for business and the public.

If there is going to be another referendum a lot of things will need to be made clearer and even then it will do nothing to heal the splits in the country and would possibly make them worse.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

Like some sort of customs union or single market?


It may be possible to have some kind of pre-authorization system like exists for some small items already (I've had stuff shipped from the US with duties pre-paid). It'd result in a lot of additional admin work for the shipping company, as well as whoever processes the paperwork. It'd also necessarily require some level or random checking to make sure that what's being pre-cleared is what's actually in the truck.


You may able to be do something similar for the drivers & trucks themselves, but again you'd need loads more staff to manage it and random spot checks.


The only way to get a truck of goods between EU/UK without any overhead or delays is to be within the customs union with all 4 freedoms intact.

That might be the case but is that any worse that completely re building the supply chain. For what is worth I agree it would be easier if we weren't leaving but we are and both us and EU have to look at the best way of solving the problems without letting ideology get in the way.

Filo25

ukcarper wrote: »

If there is going to be another referendum a lot of things will need to be made clearer and even then it will do nothing to heal the splits in the country and would possibly make them worse.

Not having a second referendum also won't do anything about healing the splits in the country, in fact if we sleepwalk into a no-deal scenario it may make them a hell of a lot worse.

Crashy_Time

StevieJ wrote: »

Before the next Referendum takes place we really do need a way of informing the electorate about the implications of Brexit without the insane bias shown so far.




At least Dominic Raab has made a start (probably through gritted teeth) with his advisories for business and the public.

The public were told that the country would collapse overnight immediately after any Leave vote - obviously it didn`t - politicians and the media have much less power than they used to have when it comes to keeping the population "On message". The groundswell that fuelled Brexit hasn`t gone away, if anything it has become stronger, and the more silly stories that are put about of the dire consequences of leaving the more people are going to say "Let`s go for it" IMO.

ukcarper

Filo25 wrote: »

Not having a second referendum also won't do anything about healing the splits in the country, in fact if we sleepwalk into a no-deal scenario it may make them a hell of a lot worse.

I'm still hopeful that a deal will be reached.

Filo25

ukcarper wrote: »

I'm still hopeful that a deal will be reached.

My fear is the Tory party splits on the issue may make it impossible for them to come up with anything in the end.

Then it comes down to whether the EU is willing to throw Ireland to the wolves and fudge the border issue to get a Canada style deal, not that a simple Canada style FTA deal will solve most of the Brexit related economic issues anywya, but it would be better than nothing.

Filo25

Crashy_Time wrote: »

The public were told that the country would collapse overnight immediately after any Leave vote - obviously it didn`t - politicians and the media have much less power than they used to have when it comes to keeping the population "On message". The groundswell that fuelled Brexit hasn`t gone away, if anything it has become stronger, and the more silly stories that are put about of the dire consequences of leaving the more people are going to say "Let`s go for it" IMO.

So just to be clear Crashy, you are saying we should ignore what anyone has to say if they have made inaccurate negative economic predictions in the past, interesting...... :D:D