Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

A_Pandiculation

phillw wrote: »

There wasn't much debate, everything was shot down with "project fear" and "we don't want experts".

Every problem that has come up was mentioned before the referendum.

David Cameron made a pigs ear of it there is no doubt, but I believe he did it from a position of ineptitude. I'm not sure about the logic of keep going down a path that only benefits a very small minority (none of which post here) just because of his inability to compete with the much easier and more seductive leave campaign.

Be honest and admit that there was no debate.
All there was were lies and propaganda - which remainers still try today despite repeatedly being proven wrong. And despite it not working.
:doh:

Where's the emergency budget?
What happened to the half a million jobs lost immediately just for voting leave?
Where's the immediate recession?

Yes, remainers including Cameron made a real pig's ear of the referendum. Even now they don't have the gumption to admit they were wrong which is a shame, because they might actually get further if they were honest.
Personally I don't think they know how to be honest.

A_Pandiculation

phillw wrote: »

None of my posts are anti british, they just aren't delusional arrogance.
Waffle unrelated to original post deleted

That pretty much sums up all that your posts are.
All you're doing is trying to misinterpret the facts. Well, there are enough intelligent people here to realise that you're basically doing nothing more than spinning webs of deceit.

You're not anti-British you say yet you can't even capitalise the name correctly - or admit that 52% of those that voted did so in favour of leaving, preferring to try and deceive.
Shame on you.

A_Pandiculation

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

Ah - the mistake you’ve made here is assuming that because people work for an organisation that it outside of the EU’s institutional framework (not withstanding the fact that the EU is the largest single donor to the ESA’s budget) then they must somehow not wish to remain part of the EU. Which makes no sense whatsoever :huh: :huh: :huh: (smilies inserted because I know how much you like them )

And whilst it is admittedly empirical evidence, my line of work brings me into contact with a lot of scientists - including those working in the space sector; and they are unanimous in thinking that leaving the EU is a very bad idea.

That's an awful lot of waffle for you to suggest something I've not said because nowhere in my post do I mention the workers. Nowhere do I either say or suggest what their opinions may be so I have no idea where you get that from.

I too can say that my work brings me into contact with many scientists from differing specialities including airospace. I though am honest enough to say that - while some are indeed of the opinion that leaving the UK is not good - the split in my experience is similar to that of the referendum, which doesn't surprise me greatly.

Your "unanimous" looks like more fanciful wishes to me.

Lungboy

A_Pandiculation wrote: »

As said earlier, it was never mentioned pre-referendum so obviously then it wasn't a problem - which by default only leaves the EU & remainers.

It was, but like so many other things it was hand-waved away as Project Fear.

Herzlos

Government has been voted to be in contempt of parliament over failing to disclose the full legal advice abiyr brexit. I'm not sure what the implications are though.

Crashy_Time

Herzlos wrote: »

Government has been voted to be in contempt of parliament over failing to disclose the full legal advice abiyr brexit. I'm not sure what the implications are though.

Neither is parliament.

gfplux

Herzlos wrote: »

Isn't the GFA the reason why people on either side of the border are eligible for an Eire passport?

"No deal" Brexit is very, very likely to cause all sorts of violations of the GFA (as I understand it), so there's a very real risk of it collapsing. How you can interact on both sides unhindered when the laws/regulations are different on either side is going to be a hard one to rationalize, and that's even before any kind of border infrastructure.

Therefor if the GFA collapses, people with NI ancestry may lose the ability to gain an Eire (EU) passport, if Eire/EU decide to play hardball.


Best get the applications in early for those that can get them. Though I do find no small amount of irony in people voting to restrict freedom of movement and then going and using a loophole to re-gain that freedom of movement.

The above is my understanding of the GFA.
Obviously COGITO understands little of the GFA.
Frankly I was equally ignorant untill the referendum vote brought to light the opportunity for many to get an EU (Irish) Passport under circumstances agreed in the GFA.

gfplux

"The Belfast/Good Friday Agreement (GFA) recognised the birthright of the 'people of Northern Ireland' to identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they may choose, and accordingly hold British and Irish Citizenship. This is incorporated in the UK-Ireland GFA treaty1 and is legally binding."
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/caj.org.uk/2018/04/19122918/GFA-equality-of-British-and-Irish-citizenship-in-NI-post-Brexit-April-2018-1.pdf

Thank you HERZLOS

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

The above is my understanding of the GFA.
Obviously COGITO understands little of the GFA.
Frankly I was equally ignorant untill the referendum vote brought to light the opportunity for many to get an EU (Irish) Passport under circumstances agreed in the GFA.

Why don't you reread my post #4415 and tell me exactly what I said?

The bit that you're missing is that prior to the GFA, the RoI claimed the whole of the island of Ireland as part of the republic and regarded citizens of Ulster as Irish and therefore eligible for Irish passports. In the GFA, the Irish Constitution was changed in that the RoI dropped its territorial claim on the north. Nothing has changed regarding eligibility for passports compared to the situation prior to the GFA as the opportunity for people of the north to have Irish passports was always there.

You and Herzlos need to make sure of your facts before posting.

Herzlos

So is there some legal framework outside of the GFA that prevents Eire from changing how it offers citizenship to regions that it no has a territorial claim over?


As far as I can tell, it's only the GFA that prevents Eire deciding to no longer recognise NI citizens as Irish.