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Brexit the economy and house prices part 6
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If only, then I'd have a passport with more rights than the UK so I'm stuck in this mess unless I can get a VISA somewhere. Thankfully I'm qualified enough to get accepted in most countries, should I need to desert the ship.
Fortunately I will be both when I finally get round to doing my Irish passport.
Just imagine we ended up with Hard Brexit + Corbyn government, I really might appreciate my freedom of movement then !0 -
Well he says he did, not sure I believe him
Why does he have to gain by lying? What have you got to lose by believing him?
That is the logic I always evaluate politicians.
Anything about bananas, lie.
brexit dividend, lie.
£350 million to NHS, lie.
What they have to gain is power and money, what we have to lose is power and money. Leavers (whether they knew it or not) voted to have less rights and less money.
Jeremy saying he voted to remain doesn't gain anything, I didn't vote labour because of that. Everyone has been telling us for ages that he was a leaver. The only option for interfering with the undemocratic leave vote was to vote Labour.A_Pandiculation wrote: »It sounds like you don't realise that the ESA (European Space Agency in case you didn't know) is not part of the EU's institutional framework despite the EU trying to make it so. It is autonomous. Do you know what that means and if so why would you assume they would rather remain in the EU?
When the UK leaves the EU the scientists left behind in the UK will have to decide between less money and companies failing because they are unable to attract people from other countries or applying to live in another country. Do you understand that there is no magic keeping companies operating in the UK?
We don't do enough in the UK to justify launches, so we will only ever be a part of a larger project & moving goods and people across the borders could get a whole lot harderWe actually have a ready made backup solution for satnav, developed right here in Blighty
It's more of a political flag waving thing. GPS will still work fine. The US stopped selective availability 18 years ago. It's unlikely to ever come back. It's kinda weird that the EU would create their own, it's insanity if we do.0 -
He is head of a Party where the members support Remain he is a life long leave supporter I can see what he had to gain can't you.Why does he have to gain by lying? What have you got to lose by believing him?
That is the logic I always evaluate politicians.
Anything about bananas, lie.
brexit dividend, lie.
£350 million to NHS, lie.
What they have to gain is power and money, what we have to lose is power and money. Leavers (whether they knew it or not) voted to have less rights and less money.
Jeremy saying he voted to remain doesn't gain anything, I didn't vote labour because of that. Everyone has been telling us for ages that he was a leaver. The only option for interfering with the undemocratic leave vote was to vote Labour.
When the UK leaves the EU the scientists left behind in the UK will have to decide between less money and companies failing because they are unable to attract people from other countries or applying to live in another country. Do you understand that there is no magic keeping companies operating in the UK?
We don't do enough in the UK to justify launches, so we will only ever be a part of a larger project & moving goods and people across the borders could get a whole lot harder0 -
He is head of a Party where the members support Remain
You can't have it both ways, leave supporters keep telling us that the majority of labour voted to leave & so he should go hard on brexit to deliver it to them. I've seen no evidence that corbyn ever panders to people, he appears to always say what he thinks.he is a life long leave supporter
Says you, he says he voted to remain. Can you see why I would believe him and think you're just making it up? Even before the referendum he said he was in favour of remain.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-says-he-is-enthusiastic-about-staying-in-the-eu-but-wont-share-a-platform-with-david-a7075626.html
He might not agree with everything the EU does, but like a lot of remain voters believe the answer to that is to pull your sleeves up and work to change it. The benefits of staying in the EU were much higher than the benefits of leaving.
Leaving was a knee jerk reaction based on misinformation.0 -
That phrase 'peoples vote'. What was the Referendum, an Aardvarks vote?My neighbours both sides were leave voters and when brexit was discussed immigration was the issue; same with the brexiters at work. My 'dig' was irritation at there now being so many people who seem to know how well we'll do outside the EU. They seem to understand the ins and outs of international trade and how easy it is to reach an agreement. Every credible expert tells us otherwise and yet their position doesn't change....project fear blah blah....... and what's more they are not prepared to countenance a peoples vote to test the arguments again.
For what its worth ...we may end up with a Norway style deal and full customs union....what Labour has been saying all along. At least that will be less harmful than the alternatives.0 -
You can't have it both ways, leave supporters keep telling us that the majority of labour voted to leave.
Says you, he says he voted to remain. Can you see why I would believe him and think you're just making it up? Even before the referendum he said he was in favour of remain.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-says-he-is-enthusiastic-about-staying-in-the-eu-but-wont-share-a-platform-with-david-a7075626.html
He might not agree with everything the EU does, but like a lot of remain voters believe the answer to that is to pull your sleeves up and work to change it.
Leaving was a knee jerk reaction based on misinformation.
Every bit of polling I have seen said the majority of Labour voters voted Remain (many of the seats their MPs hold voted Leave but that is obviously entirely different).
Labour members are very vocally pro-Remain.
Corbyn's voting record makes it pretty clear he has been a Leaver for his time in Parliament (not uncommon amongst the Bennite wing of the Labour party), which is a bit inconvenient for him at present, so he has to make some half-hearted pro-EU noises.0 -
That phrase 'peoples vote'. What was the Referendum, an Aardvarks vote?
It may as well have been if this is the kind of argument.
We had a referendum about whether we should remain in the EU or not.
The government then decided how we would leave.
Parliament then vote on the deal, which it currently looks like they'll reject which leaves us with no deal.
At that point the people would be asked to vote what they want to happen next, because our elected representatives were unable to come up with a reasonable solution.
It sounds pretty democratic to me, giving people a vote on what they want to happen now that we have more information. Like when we vote for mps every four years. Things have changed, we have new information available etc.
I think we should go for no deal, because it's the only way we'll ever hear the last of it. The leave voters will be too busy figuring out how to survive to notice that immigration isn't decreasing.0 -
You can't have it both ways, leave supporters keep telling us that the majority of labour voted to leave & so he should go hard on brexit to deliver it to them. I've seen no evidence that corbyn ever panders to people, he appears to always say what he thinks.
Says you, he says he voted to remain. Can you see why I would believe him and think you're just making it up? Even before the referendum he said he was in favour of remain.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-says-he-is-enthusiastic-about-staying-in-the-eu-but-wont-share-a-platform-with-david-a7075626.html
He might not agree with everything the EU does, but like a lot of remain voters believe the answer to that is to pull your sleeves up and work to change it. The benefits of staying in the EU were much higher than the benefits of leaving.
Leaving was a knee jerk reaction based on misinformation.
I'm not saying he didn't vote remain but he voted remain under duress.
30% of Labour voters voted leave so coming out strongly for remain would effect there vote that's why they have sat on fence for last 3 years.0
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