Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

wunferall

Lungboy wrote: »

Well that's a bit awkward.

Your post?
Yes it is because if you'd read it first you would have seen that one (of many) pro-Brexit advisers now thinks that the UK would if the deal is approved be better off staying in the EU "rather than accepting the prime minister’s Brexit plan."



That's not news any more.
Many think the same.

Lungboy

wunferall wrote: »

Your post?
Yes it is because if you'd read it first you would have seen that one (of many) pro-Brexit advisers now thinks that the UK would if the deal is approved be better off staying in the EU "rather than accepting the prime minister’s Brexit plan."



That's not news any more.
Many think the same.

I did read it first that was entirely the point. Thanks for jumping to conclusions though. He was one of the guys that some people were using to justify Brexit and he's now saying that staying is better than May's deal. So it's looking more and more like it'll be a choice between ditching the whole thing or No Deal Brexit. The only people advocating No Deal seem to be the people that care more about ideology than what's good for the UK as it will be the worst possible outcome.

wunferall

Lungboy wrote: »

I did read it first that was entirely the point. Thanks for jumping to conclusions though. He was one of the guys that some people were using to justify Brexit and he's now saying that staying is better than May's deal. So it's looking more and more like it'll be a choice between ditching the whole thing or No Deal Brexit. The only people advocating No Deal seem to be the people that care more about ideology than what's good for the UK as it will be the worst possible outcome.

What was the point?
That somebody said staying would be better than May's deal?
As I said, that is not news; we've had similar since the statement.
Or did you miss it all?

But even for here that's a pretty impressive load of incorrect assumptions.
And even Jeremy Corbyn (amongst many much more knowledegable than you or I BTW) accepts that Brexit can't now be stopped.
Never mind though, carry on dreaming.
We know how much remainers love to believe in (selected) dreams.
They usually call them predictions.


BTW if WTO Brexit really is the worst possible outcome, blame the EU.
They're the ones pushing in that direction that despite the warnings.

Matt_L

wunferall wrote: »

Your post?
Yes it is because if you'd read it first you would have seen that one (of many) pro-Brexit advisers now thinks that the UK would if the deal is approved be better off staying in the EU "rather than accepting the prime minister’s Brexit plan."



That's not news any more.
Many think the same.

DR, JRM, BJ and many more have said the same, me thinks Lungboy is at least a week late on the uptake :rotfl:

buglawton

andrewf75 wrote: »

Also no other nation has ever done anything remotely like Brexit to my knowledge. Countries gradually develop trade links and reduce barriers, not the other way round. Business will of course adapt to any situation eventually, but who knows what that timescale might be.

And I entirely forgot tom mention

How Britain said farewell to its Empire
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-10740852

wunferall

buglawton wrote: »

And I entirely forgot tom mention

How Britain said farewell to its Empire
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-10740852

Isn't it interesting that country in central Europe which is recognised globally as having one of the world's most advanced economies and sees growth more than double that of the EU is not an EU member?

What's more it looks now like it will never be an EU member either; hardly surprising given the EU's bully-boy tactics towards them.
"Swiss vote on going it alone in sovereignty referendum"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46302030

It's also quite interesting that when it comes to Brexit, many remainers ignore Switzerland - the central European country that never joined the EU.
:whistle:

Lungboy

May has now caved on Gibraltar, essentially annexing it. Surely any last hope she had of getting her deal through Parliament has just disappeared, nobody can vote for a deal that separates Gib from the UK so completely.

wunferall

Lungboy wrote: »

May has now caved on Gibraltar, essentially annexing it. Surely any last hope she had of getting her deal through Parliament has just disappeared, nobody can vote for a deal that separates Gib from the UK so completely.

It's all for show, nothing more.
Theresa May never had any chance of getting the deal past the HoP.
Now she has even less chance.
Well done to her because WTO two-fingers Brexit here we come.
:T


Oh and just to add, no she hasn't.
Annexed Gibraltar that is.
She might want to but nothing has been agreed,signed and finalised.

kabayiri

You could argue that the original architects of the EU referendum (Cameron and mates) were banking on the vote going the way of Remain.

Now, when I listen to proponents of the "People's vote", they are saying it is a solution. But it's *exactly* the same mentality. The thinking is that the vote will go the way you think it should !

What it really is, is yet another gamble, but one with no time left for anything else.

wunferall

kabayiri wrote: »

You could argue that the original architects of the EU referendum (Cameron and mates) were banking on the vote going the way of Remain.

Now, when I listen to proponents of the "People's vote", they are saying it is a solution. But it's *exactly* the same mentality. The thinking is that the vote will go the way you think it should !

What it really is, is yet another gamble, but one with no time left for anything else.

It's this "no time for anything else" that makes me wonder if all this nonsense has been deliberate?

I know that many of the more hard-line Brexiters have said all along that we should have just put forward Article 50 and left the EU to it, and said "goodbye and thanks for all the fish" in March.
Well for all the good these so-called "negotiations" have done that looks likely now to have been the best option.

IMHO either TM is playing a blinder in the (surely by now) certain knowledge that the HoP reject the deal, so that she can say to JC Juncker & co. "I told you! now you better be quick & cut the carp or we're offski!"
Or it's been the plan of remainers all along to do their damndest to keep us in, so that if we go WTO they can say "It's your fault; you chose Brexit!"

One way or another I guess we'll know soon enough.
After all there can't be much longer before an HoP vote on this so-called "deal", what with a March exit deadline.