Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

Of course, remainers never discuss Brexit. Have you looked in the mirror lately?

You obviously are ignoring my post 4056 as do the three fan boys who thanked your post.

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Wether or not Britain stays in the EU this flip flop will already have decided where international company’s want to put their FUTURE investments if they want access to the EU.
However the future trade deal with the USA could be a way for International (for example) car company’s to access the USA tariff free!

Trump and various Trump advisers have said that America want a total free trade agreement with the UK. Does anyone have an opinion on wether that would include cars essembled in the UK or is that too much to hope for.
Cars for chloride chicken anyone?
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gfplux

As most Brexiters are optimists I have to assume that they are confident we are leaving the EU with or without signing the Withdrawal/transition/outline political declaration.
So now is the time to start putting some flesh on the bones of the trade deals with EU and other country’s that Britain will be negotiating and signing.
What does Britain want exactly. What actually does the wish list consist of.

For nearly three years we were promised the sunny uplands. Now comes the time when blue sky thinking has to come down to the practicalities.

My post 4056 asked about the motor industry opportunities and earlier I asked about the opportunity for young people being able to emigrate to the USA.
A week or so ago I asked which British industrys Brexiters would want trade negotiators to defend. I thought these were the things Brexiters would have very interesting ideas about.
Am I wrong?
I repeat
What does Britain want from trade deals exactly, what does the wish list consist of.

cogito

Would one of you experts on tariffs care to post links to prove your assertions?

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

Would one of you experts on tariffs care to post links to prove your assertions?

https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/tariffs_e/tariffs_e.htm






Which assertions in particular are you looking for?

Matt_L

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Asymmetrically.

As just one of dozens of examples, most Lobsters and Langoustine caught in UK waters are from small inshore vessels and around 80% are live exported to continental Europe.

There's zero chance the UK population will suddenly develop a taste for quaffing enough Champagne and Lobster to make up the gap.

And there are no other major markets close enough to export live seafood to.

So a 4% average tariff on all goods doesn't help the thousands of lobster fishermen put out of business overnight by the much larger crippling tariffs on live seafood.

Multiply that up across dozens of industries and you've got major social unrest on your hands within weeks...

The EU is 50% of our exports. We are just 7% of their exports.

We were always the weaker party in these negotiations.

There is no Brexit deal as good as the one we have today.

So you believe that because of a 4% tariff on lobster those in the EU that can afford to eat fresh lobster will just stop eating it..

I could also be wrong here but it is my understanding that its more like 40% we export to the EU and thats falling every year, our exports to the rest of the world are growing every year.

A_Pandiculation

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

10% on cars, up to 40% on some agricultural goods.

Absolutely crippling to large sectors of the UK economy employing hundreds of thousands of people.

There's a reason the head of Economists for Brexit said that leaving the EU would result in the loss of most manufacturing in the UK.

Yes there is.
That reason isn't the supposed "crippling" effects of tariffs though, it's that they want to scare the UK into staying in the EU.
Pure & simple.

Or maybe you would care to explain how every other nation on earth not an EU member is not similarly "crippled"?

A_Pandiculation

Matt_L wrote: »

So you believe that because of a 4% tariff on lobster those in the EU that can afford to eat fresh lobster will just stop eating it..

I could also be wrong here but it is my understanding that its more like 40% we export to the EU and thats falling every year, our exports to the rest of the world are growing every year.

Correct.
Last year 30.53% of UK GDP was the export of goods and services and that, as you say, has been increasing. This growth is already coming from beyond the EU because, again as you said, our exports to EU countries has been shrinking.

It's funny really that so many remainers in this thread have suggested that the UK is not a big manufacturer any more yet worry about possible lost jobs in manufacturing. The UK is the world's 8th largest manufacturing nation - and it's still growing.

Yes there might well be a period of rebalancing if the UK goes WTO Brexit but it is certainly not all the doom and gloom that remainers suggest. And it's not as if they've not been proven very wrong with their other predictions of woe, is it? External global trends are far more responsible for trade than tariffs; nobody buys what they don't want.

I'm constantly amused by how remainers here cling to every Project Fear story publicised by our media, insisting that they will be right and that we are doomed. What a load of poop. They'll stop at nothing in their desperation to prove that Brexit is a bad idea and all they are coming up with so far is Mystic Meg-type visions of what might happen.

Enterprise_1701C

There's plenty of reasons why Brexit will be beneficial to us

An old article

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/25/why-leaving-the-eu-could-actually-be-to-our-economic-advantage/

And it is fairly certain that by 2030 only 30% of our trade will be through the eu, it is going down and the eu growth is going down rapidly.

If we looked at the eu at the moment, looked at the way they handled things, the idea of taking on the euro and being in Schengen, as an outsider, I cannot imagine that we would vote to join it.

I do not want to be a part of the protectionist us of e. Especially considering the lies they fed us, the fact that they tried to cover up the idea of an eu army until after the referendum. Yes, there was lies on both sides, but something like that is extremely important, it is one more step to their ambition of nationhood.

And this is a very good reason to leave

https://brexitcentral.com/juncker-expose-remainer-big-lie-eu-superstate/

Can remainers come up with something saying this would not happen?

And another lie

https://brexitcentral.com/audacious-lie-referendum-campaign-remainers-claim-immigration/

Can remainers counter that?

scaredofdebt

A_Pandiculation wrote: »

Or maybe you would care to explain how every other nation on earth not an EU member is not similarly "crippled"?

Because no other nation on Earth trades solely on WTO rules, apart from Mauritania.

BenjaG

What @Enterprise_1701C call the European Army (above) are a pooling of forces not unlike NATO. The need is growing, as the Trump Presidency rests credibility to NATO's joint defence against Russia, which has invaded parts of Georgia, Ukraine and is killing people on British streets while undermining western democracies.

The UK is weak, and counts only 150,000 active military personal against Russia's 900,000. France has 202,000 active military personal, Germany 178,000, Italy 174,000, Spain 121,000, Poland 100,000 etc.

Worse, the UK has only 227 battle tanks while Russia has a hundred times as many: 22,700! Germany has 2,500 battle tanks, France 527, Italy 480, Spain 552, Poland 1,000 etc.

Russia may doubt the US' commitment to defending Poland, Lithuania or even the UK against Putin's Russia. Pooling European forces is the answer that could stop Russia and which will be fought by Russia's media campaign.