Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Filo25

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I doubt that is the EU's collective view. The UK would be attempting to have a bespoke arrangement. In or out is the default position.

The EU has already made it clear they are obviously willing to improve access if the UK shifts its redlines, unfortunately Theresa May's redlines have restricted options significantly until recently.

Something like a Norway style deal would be unlikely to be an issue for the EU I sould imagine, it would be a huge issue in the UK though!

Thrugelmir

Filo25 wrote: »

Of course the NI border adds a massive complication, but even that would be resolvable if Theresa May hadn't messed up the GE campaign so badly last year.

A majority would not have addressed the matter. The NI border issue is a political obstacle. Nothing more. The Irish are taking the opportunity to play hardball. It's not the EU negotiators.

Thrugelmir

Filo25 wrote: »

Something like a Norway style deal would be unlikely to be an issue for the EU I sould imagine, it would be a huge issue in the UK though!

Easy on paper in principle. In practice a very different proposition.

Filo25

Thrugelmir wrote: »

A majority would not have addressed the matter. The NI border issue is a political obstacle. Nothing more. The Irish are taking the opportunity to play hardball. It's not the EU negotiators.

Obviously the history makes it a huge political issue for Ireland, especially with the lack of power sharing in Stormont at present and the government being in the DUP's back pocket, dangerous times to be proposing a hard border....

Thrugelmir

Filo25 wrote: »

Obviously the history makes it a huge political issue for Ireland, especially with the lack of power sharing in Stormont at present and the government being in the DUP's back pocket, dangerous times to be proposing a hard border....

Likewise undermining the GFA. Which was a considerable task to cobble together with many aspects unaddressed. The factions that signed the agreement are very much alive. Breaking the GFA. Opens up the wounds of the past. There'll be no shortage of money from across the pond to fund activities again.

Joan_number_1_2

Filo25 wrote: »

Obviously the history makes it a huge political issue for Ireland, especially with the lack of power sharing in Stormont at present and the government being in the DUP's back pocket, dangerous times to be proposing a hard border....

... Especially when it's so obvious that it isn't the UK that are pushing for this hard border.

Herzlos

Joan_number_1 wrote: »

... Especially when it's so obvious that it isn't the UK that are pushing for this hard border.

Because the EU will have any other option?

ukcarper

StevieJ wrote: »

It proves that Brexiteer campaigners were suggesting that a Norway type deal was a possibility after Brexit.

One. .

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

ukcarper wrote: »

One. .

Here's some more...

"Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market"
~Daniel Hannan MEP, Leave campaigner


"Only a madman would actually leave the Market"
~Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer


"Wouldn't it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They're rich. They're happy. They're self-governing"
~Nigel Farage, Ukip leader


"Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK"
~Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder

kabayiri

andrewf75 wrote: »

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My point is its quite possible for immigration levels to be lower under FOM than without.

Lower/higher/the same ... completely independent of the economic conditions at the time.

That's the point -- it means NO control for this government. It makes them look impotent.

Anyway, first examples of the future abuses (and they will exist) and the tabloid rags will be all over it.

I'm not adverse to the people dumping the centre ground parties btw, so I'm pretty sanguine about political upheaval.