Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

buglawton

Not quite the same way as any other country
http://blogs.worldbank.org/trade/eu-turkey-customs-union-unique-pioneering-and-still-beneficial

Moby

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The same way any other country with a mere Free Trade Agreement does, the EU/EEA/EFTA have around 70 such agreements with third countries.

But of course they are all materially worse than being inside the Single Market which is why we already turned down the Free Trade Agreement offered to us by the EU.

I am frankly gobsmacked that anyone does not yet understand such fundamental issues....

This is exactly why having a referendum on EU membership was a huge mistake! This ignorance was energised by a media owned by the very elite the brexiteers are now raging about. They were canonfodder for headlines like this:-
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3637523/Secret-plan-open-borders-1-5m-Turks-British-diplomats-admit-risk-tell-ministers-symbolic-gesture-Turkey.html

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

buglawton wrote: »

Not quite the same way as any other country
http://blogs.worldbank.org/trade/eu-turkey-customs-union-unique-pioneering-and-still-beneficial

And now you've changed to talking about an entirely different agreement, that of Turkey's participation in the EU customs union.

Theresa May previously ruled that out as it means we can't negotiate our own tariff arrangements with third countries.... But it looks like we may stay in the CU for a while anyway.

Again, how is it possible you don't understand this stuff after several years of discussing it on here?

Moby

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-no-deal-ships-dover-calais-cabinet-theresa-may-negotiations-a8598616.html

https://theconversation.com/brexit-has-already-hurt-eu-and-non-eu-exports-by-up-to-13-new-research-105334
Yes I know.......it's only project fear......what do a bunch of trade economists know anyway........Johnson and Farage will have planned for all eventualities I'm sure.;)

gfplux

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

The difference is WE CAN LOOK AFTER BRITISH FARMERS, and fishermen, and anything else, we can put British first rather than having to think about the Spanish, the French, etc etc. We can do things OUR way rather than the german way.

As for the government proving incompetent, just be glad we are not under Corbyn, he would have waved the white flag long ago. You do know that Argentina is preparing to invade The Falklands if Corbyn gets in don't you? They don't believe he would fight to defend British territory, neither do I, my belief is he would actively break up the UK. He actually wants a power sharing agreement with the Argentinians, in spite of the fact that Argentina have no legitimate claim over the islands.

This government may not be ideal, but they are far better than the alternative. Corbyn is so anti-British it is unbelievable, he would run this country into the ground and leave it a poor shadow of Venezuela.

The Government can look after British Farmers but WILL THEY?

So much of the few possible positives that could come out of the disaster that will be Brexit rely on smart, joined up government.
No evidence of a smart Government is being shown at the moment.

The success of an opportunity lies in how that opportunity is taken.

Just one example mentioned by Brexiters is the potential success of hybrid and electric cars to be produced in the UK (electric mini anyone). What do the Government do......withdraw subsidies to motorists in Britain that want to buy that type of vehicle.
Now where is the sense in that.
Unless, unless Britain is running out of money and have to get as much cash together to cope with the Brexit disaster.

buglawton

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

And now you've changed to talking about an entirely different agreement, that of Turkey's participation in the EU customs union.

Theresa May previously ruled that out as it means we can't negotiate our own tariff arrangements with third countries.... But it looks like we may stay in the CU for a while anyway.

Again, how is it possible you don't understand this stuff after several years of discussing it on here?

I'm still talking about this
http://www.efta.int/free-trade/Free-Trade-Agreement/Turkey
Turkeys FTA arrangement with EFTA

As we can't seem to leave the CU anyway. Funny how Turkey could achieve this.

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

The UK is just echoing the growth of right of centre politics across Europe.

In fact, we have quite a mild view of right wing politics, compared to the brand you find in somewhere like Poland.

The separatists in parts of Europe like Scotland are also Nationalists.

It's a failure of centre ground politics to deliver for large numbers of voters which has left the gap to be filled, I'm afraid.

The present Government has for over two years ignored many of the reasons why so many people voted for Brexit.
Unless a Government wakes up to this and does something about it the problem will continue to grow.
Too much time has been spent focused on Brexit, too many people continue to run down the EU while ignoring the real problem.
Whatever happened to the debate about the disenfranchised, the left behind and the London centric government.

Just like the film Jaws was not about a shark, the Brexit majority was not about the EU.

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

This is exactly why having a referendum on EU membership was a huge mistake! This ignorance was energised by a media owned by the very elite the brexiteers are now raging about. They were canonfodder for headlines like this:-
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3637523/Secret-plan-open-borders-1-5m-Turks-British-diplomats-admit-risk-tell-ministers-symbolic-gesture-Turkey.html

I agree it was a mistake having a second referendum and whose fault was that all those MPs who are now trying to stop us leaving. Out of touch then and out of touch now.

ukcarper

gfplux wrote: »

The present Government has for over two years ignored many of the reasons why so many people voted for Brexit.
Unless a Government wakes up to this and does something about it the problem will continue to grow.
Too much time has been spent focused on Brexit, too many people continue to run down the EU while ignoring the real problem.
Whatever happened to the debate about the disenfranchised, the left behind and the London centric government.

Just like the film Jaws was not about a shark, the Brexit majority was not about the EU.

The problem is not the government ignoring those concerns now but ignoring before the referendum.

andrewf75

gfplux wrote: »

The present Government has for over two years ignored many of the reasons why so many people voted for Brexit.
Unless a Government wakes up to this and does something about it the problem will continue to grow.
Too much time has been spent focused on Brexit, too many people continue to run down the EU while ignoring the real problem.
Whatever happened to the debate about the disenfranchised, the left behind and the London centric government.

Just like the film Jaws was not about a shark, the Brexit majority was not about the EU.

Spot on. In this sense a Brexit under Corbyn makes much more sense. The Brexit Tories just want to run the economy in exactly the same way just with less regulation.