Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

kabayiri

We know what many people voted for.

It was a vote to oppose FOM.

Whatever solution is adopted; however it is 'carefully described'; people will judge it by the impact on the ground.

The 2 main parties both stood on a Leave EU basis in the last GE. They risk being exposed at the next election if they fail to deliver on one of the biggest exercises in direct public involvement we have seen in decades.

andrewf75

ukcarper wrote: »

Personally I don't think it would, I think it would satisfy very few as it would require us to accept four freedoms and ECJ.

but surely on a simplistic level
remainers + very few leavers = > 50%

ukcarper

andrewf75 wrote: »

but surely on a simplistic level
remainers + very few leavers = > 50%

I think it would be very few leavers indeed. I feel that if we had presented a more united front to EU we would have had more chance of gaining some concessions but as it is I get the impression they feel they don't have as we will cave in.

andrewf75

kabayiri wrote: »

We know what many people voted for.

It was a vote to oppose FOM.

Whatever solution is adopted; however it is 'carefully described'; people will judge it by the impact on the ground.

The 2 main parties both stood on a Leave EU basis in the last GE. They risk being exposed at the next election if they fail to deliver on one of the biggest exercises in direct public involvement we have seen in decades.

I think it’s a mistake to equate FOM with immigration levels though. We could (and should) have exercised more powers to reduce immigration as an EU member and I would say it is unlikely that this government will reduce numbers much after FOM ends.

Under FOM people come to fill jobs and often that is temporary. Many Eastern Europeans always planned to go back and under FOM its easy for labour to fill demand as and when needed. How many Indians or Filipinos coming in under a points system will ever go back?

My point is its quite possible for immigration levels to be lower under FOM than without.

Filo25

ukcarper wrote: »

I think it would be very few leavers indeed. I feel that if we had presented a more united front to EU we would have had more chance of gaining some concessions but as it is I get the impression they feel they don't have as we will cave in.

Sorry but I don't see any basis for this line on unity at all.

Firstly it is unrealistic to expect the country to come together in the aftermath of a 52:48 vote and highly divisive campaign and get behind what the most vocal Brexiters appear to want which is the hardest possible implementation of Brexit, there was never an attempt to look for any kind of compromise in the type of Brexit being sought to reflect the closeness of the vote.

Secondly we are now at the stage where that hardest of Brexits looks quite likely to happen, and is certainly a credible threat to the EU (just the same as if we had been united all along) and still they don't seem to be folding on their position and giving us everything we want.

I said in the aftermath of the vote that there would no doubt be many blaming Remainers and the EU for the forthcoming failure to deliver the sunny uplands of the easiest deal in history, so it was hardly an unpredictable outcome

ukcarper

Filo25 wrote: »

Sorry but I don't see any basis for this line on unity at all.

Firstly it is unrealistic to expect the country to come together in the aftermath of a 52:48 vote and highly divisive campaign and get behind what the most vocal Brexiters appear to want which is the hardest possible implementation of Brexit, there was never an attempt to look for any kind of compromise in the type of Brexit being sought to reflect the closeness of the vote.

Secondly we are now at the stage where that hardest of Brexits looks quite likely to happen, and is certainly a credible threat to the EU (just the same as if we had been united all along) and still they don't seem to be folding on their position and giving us everything we seem to want.

I said in the aftermath of the vote that there would no doubt be many blaming Remainers and the EU for the forthcoming failure to deliver the sunny uplands of the easiest deal in history, so it was hardly an unpredictable outcome

Did I say people should be expected to get behind a hard brexit. People on both sides will have to compromise, Mays plan might not be great but it's better than a hard brexit and would probably command enough support with moderate leave and remain voters but instead of offering support Labour put forward some vague plan which is less likely to be accepted by EU than Mays especially if she had more support.

StevieJ

ukcarper wrote: »

I think it would be very few leavers indeed. I feel that if we had presented a more united front to EU we would have had more chance of gaining some concessions but as it is I get the impression they feel they don't have as we will cave in.

Are you sure?

Mr Hannan insisted shifting Britain to a Norway-style relationship with the EU that frees the UK from political integration but maintains access to the single market was 'feasible'.
And the MEP said this would mean 'free movement of labour' but not the right for EU citizens to gain other benefits.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3659802/Tory-Brexiteer-Dan-Hannan-insists-quitting-EU-does-NOT-mean-dramatic-cuts-number-immigrants-coming-Britain.html

Thrugelmir

andrewf75 wrote: »

I think it’s a mistake to equate FOM with immigration levels though. We could (and should) have exercised more powers to reduce immigration as an EU member .

What powers are these?

ukcarper

StevieJ wrote: »

Are you sure?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3659802/Tory-Brexiteer-Dan-Hannan-insists-quitting-EU-does-NOT-mean-dramatic-cuts-number-immigrants-coming-Britain.html

No I'm not sure but then I don't think Hannan's remarks from before referendum proves anything.

ukcarper

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What powers are these?

I keep hearing this and the question I would like answered is if it was that easy and one of main concerns expressed by leave supporters was FOM why did the government not do it.