Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Cakeguts

melanzana wrote: »

Another vote on what though? Can you quote me anything that says the marchers were looking for another referendum, or a vote on the outcome of negotiations?

It is in here if you read down to the bottom. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45925542 There were a fair number who thought they were there to stop Brexit. Some thought they were there to get another referendum I know of people who thought that. Then there were the ones who were bussed in by the students unions using a donation of £20,000 from the organisers of the march. The organisers didn't care why people were there they only organised it for their own personal gain so that they could tell the media how many people attended. So many people got manipulated just to benefit the personal agendas of the people who organised this march.

melanzana

ukcarper wrote: »

It shows how out of touch they were in 2015 and they still are.

You didn't answer my question would you be happy if the vote was accept deal or leave with no deal.

I think that the remain supporting MPs especially Labours position is weaking our position and playing into the hands of hard brexiter.

I honestly haven't a clue it is all too confusing really, too many permutations.

But as I have just said in an earlier post, maybe ask people if they want to accept the deal or renegotiate might be an option.

Or something like that. Two glasses of vino down now so sorry my friend!

Very interesting discussion, and no hate or vitriol. That's the spirit isn't it.

ukcarper

melanzana wrote: »

I honestly haven't a clue it is all too confusing really, too many permutations.

But as I have just said in an earlier post, maybe ask people if they want to accept the deal or renegotiate might be an option.

Or something like that. Two glasses of vino down now so sorry my friend!

Very interesting discussion, and no hate or vitriol. That's the spirit isn't it.

I don't think that would work you could end up negotiating for ever with all the uncertainty that would cause.

melanzana

Cakeguts wrote: »

It is in here if you read down to the bottom. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45925542 There were a fair number who thought they were there to stop Brexit. Some thought they were there to get another referendum I know of people who thought that. Then there were the ones who were bussed in by the students unions using a donation of £20,000 from the organisers of the march. The organisers didn't care why people were there they only organised it for their own personal gain so that they could tell the media how many people attended. So many people got manipulated just to benefit the personal agendas of the people who organised this march.

Sad to think some people are so uninformed.

Maybe that is why Brexit vote won. Kind of similar tactics :rotfl:

Sadly. Doesn't say much for the intellect of many voters in the Brexit Referendum though, I am sorry to say that and mean no disrespect, but honestly.

Cakeguts

LHW99 wrote: »

The problem with any referendum is that the wording has to be clear, and preferably giving a binary choice. So that leaves:
Accept the deal / reject the deal. If its rejected, who makes the EU re-negotiate? The likelihood is that "reject the deal" = "no deal"

This is basically the whole problem.



The EU constitution is so flawed that it needs to start again from the beginning.



If Hungary continue to flout European law can the EU expel it?

melanzana

ukcarper wrote: »

I don't think that would work you could end up negotiating for ever with all the uncertainty that would cause.

Sadly if there is not a Hard Brexit, the negotiations will go on forever anyway. You just have to look at how long it took for the Canada deal with EU to be ratified.

But anyway, onwards and upwards.

ukcarper

melanzana wrote: »

Sad to think some people are so uninformed.

Maybe that is why Brexit vote won. Kind of similar tactics :rotfl:

Sadly. Doesn't say much for the intellect of many voters in the Brexit Referendum though, I am sorry to say that and mean no disrespect, but honestly.

I think that many people on both sides were ill informed and I don't see that being any different if we have another referendum.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

wunferall wrote: »

They should also consider the then-government-funded £9 million spent sending a "please stay" leaflet to every UK property which was not declared in Team Remain's costs.
Strangely enough, whenever this comes up remainers conveniently ignore it.

Which was eclipsed by the £12 million of resources Aaron Banks et al threw at Vote Leave propoganda before the official spending period started.

melanzana

ukcarper wrote: »

I think that many people on both sides were ill informed and I don't see that being any different if we have another referendum.

Yes agree,

But there will not be another referendum on Brexit either, so that ship has sailed. I doubt there will be one on the outcome of a deal either.

And FPTP also means people's choices for anything other than Blue or Red is a joke.

I do not support FPTP, personally, it is not representative, but there we are. A whole other debate I suppose!

ukcarper

melanzana wrote: »

Yes agree,

But there will not be another referendum on Brexit either, so that ship has sailed. I doubt there will be one on the outcome of a deal either.

And FPTP also means people's choices for anything other than Blue or Red is a joke.

I do not support FPTP, personally, it is not representative, but there we are. A whole other debate I suppose!

I think the problem is politicians of both party's not election system. Take Labour trying to edge it's bets and not coming down one way or another.