Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Moby

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-17/how-tiny-moldova-s-brexit-grudge-could-cost-u-k-1-7-trillion




Yep going onto WTO terms is going to be so easy isn't it!

kabayiri

Moby wrote: »

Letter in today's Guardian from a Northern Ireland citizen. Makes you think...people who voted Brexit feel their rights are being trampled on! What about people like this:-

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Look.

The moment you commission a UK-wide referendum, *that* is the moment our dear friend above loses any special interest status.

That's just the nature of the thing. The vast majority of people in the UK don't think about the nature of NI living, and I suspect the people in NI care little for the people in London or Wales.

I hope this citizen above leveled his complaints directly at Dave Cameron, and his referendum architect mates.

Joan_number_1_2

StevieJ wrote: »

What has that got to do with it? He said
"over half the electorate decided that it was too much and wanted out"

Is that true?

Quibble over irrelevancies if you want but you won't change the outcome you know.
We will still leave.

For the sake of accuracy "over half the electorate that cared enough either way to vote decided that it was too much and wanted out".
Better?


BTW StevieJ, please look at my username.
I realise that we're in an age of political correctness and all that but my hubby & kids would be ... how to put it politely? .... a little surprised at my gender change, madam.
Because Stevie could be either.

Joan_number_1_2

Moby wrote: »

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-17/how-tiny-moldova-s-brexit-grudge-could-cost-u-k-1-7-trillion




Yep going onto WTO terms is going to be so easy isn't it!

Even your link says "could".
It's another Project Fear piece.

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

I hope this citizen above leveled his complaints directly at Dave Cameron, and his referendum architect mates.

At least David Cameron is honourable. Politicians are elected to represent the best interests of the people. Not impose their own views and objectives by telling them. The rapid expansion of the EU has caused a disconnect. With the focus on trade. There's actually little discussion on the daily facets of life that are impacted and matter to people.

Having waited 16 days for a set of mud flaps to arrive from Belgium for my new Mazda. JIT doesn't work as it's portrayed. Even with a seamless border. All about Company profit and returns to shareholders.

Moby

kabayiri wrote: »

Look.

The moment you commission a UK-wide referendum, *that* is the moment our dear friend above loses any special interest status.

That's just the nature of the thing. The vast majority of people in the UK don't think about the nature of NI living, and I suspect the people in NI care little for the people in London or Wales.

I hope this citizen above leveled his complaints directly at Dave Cameron, and his referendum architect mates.

Your response is a complete cop out and is playing with fire......we have a responsibility here....it's puerile nonsense to assume that a simple binary choice referendum is good enough to deal with the issues the Irish problem raises!
For this reason alone we need to re-visit this decision

Moby

Joan_number_1 wrote: »

Even your link says "could".
It's another Project Fear piece.

That's your stock answer to everything Joan....how much evidence do we need for even brexiteers to acknowledge the 'project fear' defence doesn't cut it anymore?

Moby

Thrugelmir wrote: »

At least David Cameron is honourable.

That's a classic. Yep that's probably why he organised a referendum to deal with UKIP....which he saw as a tory problem by the way.....and then walked away when he got the result he didn't want. Such honour!

kabayiri

Moby wrote: »

Your response is a complete cop out and is playing with fire......we have a responsibility here....it's puerile nonsense to assume that a simple binary choice referendum is good enough to deal with the issues the Irish problem raises!
For this reason alone we need to re-visit this decision

It's reality, not cop out.

I honestly can't say I am completely versed in the details of NI border living.

I don't pretend to have voted for those struggling with housing in Boston, Lincs either.

I can't second guess the nature of lorry delays which will occur in Kent either.

Etc, etc.

I just have to try and make the best decision, *at the time*, which is right for me/my family/my locality etc.

Do I think the referendum was flawed? Of course. I said as much at the time. Do I think the Conservatives were 'winging it'? Yes.

But...there's not an awful lot I can do about this, bar organising the mother of all revolutions.

Moby

kabayiri wrote: »

It's reality, not cop out.

I honestly can't say I am completely versed in the details of NI border living.

I don't pretend to have voted for those struggling with housing in Boston, Lincs either.

I can't second guess the nature of lorry delays which will occur in Kent either.

Etc, etc.

I just have to try and make the best decision, *at the time*, which is right for me/my family/my locality etc.

Do I think the referendum was flawed? Of course. I said as much at the time. Do I think the Conservatives were 'winging it'? Yes.

But...there's not an awful lot I can do about this, bar organising the mother of all revolutions.

Don't agree. The Good Friday agreement is more important than Brexit and people don't live in silos. Decisions we make can have unforseen repercussions and they are!


https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/unionists-have-nothing-to-fear-from-backstop-deal-with-brussels-1.3665447