Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Thrugelmir

andrewf75 wrote: »

But you can’t be constructive in talks when you have a load of conflicting red lines.

The backstop is that the UK leaves anyway. Which makes Eire's position increasingly moot. I think I know who I would put my money on to blink first. Though there needs to be a trade off to save face.

Wenlock

Surely it is now time to stop kicking the can down the road and accept we can’t agree a deal. Move to an “orderly no deal”

Spend the next 6 months preparing ourselves as far as possible for trading under WTO rules as well as having constructive discussions with the EU and others over the more important issues that people are most worried about. For example the Irish border (I predict there will be no problems here in any scenario), whether EU planes can fly in UK airspace, whether the Channel tunnel will be bricked up after all EU citizens have been deported (just kidding).

Once we have actually left the EU and people see that the world hasn’t ended both sides can sensibly enter into long term talks over a basic free trade agreement. I imagine that will take many years and that by this stage our level of trade with the EU will be more in line with its size - 7% of the world’s population. At present some politicians seem to think the EU is our only potential trading partner.

Even the grimmest of no deal predictions seems appealing in comparison to Mrs May’s plans to keep us half-in and half-out indefinitely.

Lungboy

We've written into law that there will be no hard border with NI and Ireland, so i'd say it's up to us to stick to that.

Filo25

buglawton wrote: »

In 1965 Bloomberg would've said exactly the same sort of thing about Singapore when it split from a Malaysian economic and political union.
http://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/history/events/dc1efe7a-8159-40b2-9244-cdb078755013

Guess which of the 2 entities economies has stagnated and which is now richer than the UK it's erstwhile colonial master?


(Clue: 60% higher GDP/person than the UK)

I was right all along,"Independence for London!"

Thrugelmir

is with the UK not having the forsight to invest in infrastructure when it could, compounded by years of misguided austerity

Recent EU expansion.

1st May 2004 - Malta, Cyprus, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary,

1st January 2007 Bulgaria, Romania


:eek::eek::eek::eek:

Remind us what year did austerity start?

Little point in spouting inaccurate political nonsense.

Nor did anybody know where these people were going to end up living. Houses of multiple occupation i.e. bedsits and sub division into flats isn't forecastable.

My sister is a town planner. She sniggers at the concept that schools, hospitals, libraries,dentists, social services, doctors surgeries etc can appear overnight as if built by lego. Let alone staff them with fully trained professionals. Then there's transport links to be considered.

Joan_number_1_2

Moby wrote: »

That's your stock answer to everything Joan....how much evidence do we need for even brexiteers to acknowledge the 'project fear' defence doesn't cut it anymore?

Apart from the stuff that's been proven wrong so far you mean, like an immediate recession & the emergency budget or gazillions of job losses?
:rotfl:
What will it take for some remainers to acknowledge that there is a continuing spewing-forth of stories about what might be when all the time the country will probably do as it has always done, namely plod along quite nicely thank you.

andrewf75

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The backstop is that the UK leaves anyway. Which makes Eire's position increasingly moot. I think I know who I would put my money on to blink first. Though there needs to be a trade off to save face.

But if we leave anyway (without a deal) it will surely be even more essential to have a border in Ireland?

Herzlos

bugslet wrote: »

Customs in that case had nothing to do with the 16 days, nor the transport company;)

That's what I thought too. I can send packages to the Western EU the next day (another day for further afield like Italy or Greece). I need to allow at least 2 weeks for US or Asia, ideally longer.

kabayiri wrote: »

Maybe the patience of voters ran out.

It undoubtedly has. But That still doesn't mean Brexit will solve the problems.

I probably wouldn't mind FOM if it was accompanied by some genuine long term policy to invest in transport and housing.

I think we need decent investment in infrastructure independent of Brexit - If we can curb migration a bit it might kick the issue a bit further down the road but we still need to be keeping up with the infrastructure.

But, what we have had for the last 15 years, is stuff done on the cheap basically.

I think the British public are pretty tolerant on the whole, but when the authorities take the p*ss every year something will eventually break.

Agreed. But I still can only see Brexit making that worse, not better.

Thrugelmir

andrewf75 wrote: »

But if we leave anyway (without a deal) it will surely be even more essential to have a border in Ireland?

What type of border do you envisage?

HornetSaver

kabayiri wrote: »

There was no plan for our place in the EU.

Sure, there was an EU plan, for much tighter integration on many things, but it wasn't inspired by the UK.

Our support for FOM was luke warm. We have never built enough houses and other infrastructure since FOM has been in place, even when the credit lines were flowing before the GFC.

We have high levels of net migration for every year since the GFC, and yet at the same time, cuts to some councils equivalent to a third of their budget.

And then the politicians tell us that this is a net benefit. :mad:

I think voters smell b***s*** when they see it.

Congratulations for your usual trick of parroting the punchline and turning it into a rant, without in any way, shape or form suggesting that the punchline itself was incorrect.



Our relationship with the EU, whether you love it, mildly like it, mildly dislike it, or wish to compare it to the 1940s, is a known quantity. Brexit on the other hand is a blank canvass. Now, by and large I don't care what we paint on that canvass. But what I do care about, and most Brexiteers would agree with me on this, is that by 29 March we know the direction of travel and that the transition period is the minimum length of time necessary to get there. No-one wants an indefinite period of being an unwilling and unwanted non-member-with-obligations of the EU, but instead to leave with a sense of purpose about how we're going to use that transitionary time.