Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Lornapink

andrewf75 wrote: »

Do we really need to insult all of one side as naiive? Can’t believe some people are still at that level.

It is indeed naïve to think you can put up business taxes and regulatory costs and that somehow this wont weigh down on jobs.
It is naïve to purport be a champion of the oppressed whilst going out of your way to favour lowest cost ecosystems through your buying choices.

It is inconsiderate not to deploy a narrative that supports training the left-behinds for nursing, rather than encouraging the theft of Africa's nurses, where desperately disadvantaged children have too few nurses and resources as it is.

ukcarper

andrewf75 wrote: »

Not sure Labour momentum types are any more naiive than many Daily Express reading pensioners.

Age gives you experience, but it also makes people set in their ways and more focussed on whats best for themselves rather than society as a whole so I would say they cancel each other out. We need a balance of young and old ideas. Right now and for a long time we have had far too much of the old so its great that young people are engaging in politics even if they appear naiive.

I think its a really bad thing for society the way people make generalisations about young or old. There are clever and stupid people of all ages.

I agree there are clever and stupid people of all ages, I don't think being young and naive makes you stupid, I agree that you might get more set it your ways as you get older but I don't agree that it makes you more likely to focus on what's best for you rather that society as a whole that happens at all ages. I think many older people thought of thier children and grandchildren when they voted and voted for what they though would be best for them.

Lornapink

andrewf75 wrote: »

Extremist centrism is certainly an odd and contradictory term! No-one foisted anything on people.

Extreme so called centrists (social democrats) inflict policy such as massive foreign aid and unchecked immigration in spite of public disquiet as evidenced by all the polling going back years.

To really rub our noses in it, the craven establishment 'centrists' then seek to silence disquiet by relentlessly playing the race card & claiming the great unwashed just don't understand the benefits of vast immigration and foreign aid.


Extreme.

Lornapink

andrewf75 wrote: »

Our model of capitalism requiring ever more growth, our ageing populations and an increasingly globalised and connected world.

Japan is wealthier than the UK. How have they managed with barely any immigration? Ok they have their issues but they have muddled through and remain wealthy with tiny immigration. Perhaps they can have a little more immigration.


What happens when in 10 yrs time we find there still aren't enough houses thanks to mass immigration?


You will say, build even more.


What is you end vision from all this relentless building?

Lornapink

andrewf75 wrote: »

The trouble with Brexit and the politics of the right generally is that they have no answer to these underlying causes and just want to carry on in the same way.


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Really!!
It is your clan that desperately seeks to cling to the status quo.

It is Brexiteers that wish to embrace a new innovative reality.

Jeeze.

Filo25

Lornapink wrote: »

Extreme so called centrists (social democrats) inflict policy such as massive foreign aid and unchecked immigration in spite of public disquiet as evidenced by all the polling going back years.

To really rub our noses in it, the craven establishment 'centrists' then seek to silence disquiet by relentlessly playing the race card & claiming the great unwashed just don't understand the benefits of vast immigration and foreign aid.


Extreme.

Stilll struggling to see how that applies to me (given I was who the original comment was aimed at), given I didn't say anything about either foreign aid or racism or immigration!

My view on imigration is that the UK government could have done more to restrict immigration from within the EU to those better able to support themselves, and they should have done so.

I feel that immigration generally benefits the country economically, but I would be a fool not to admit it can also cause certain issues (some real, some perceived) and equally the issue could have been handled better by successive governments to reduce some of the issues and resentment caused.

Lornapink

Filo25 wrote: »

Stilll struggling to see how that applies to me (given I was who the original comment was aimed at), given I didn't say anything about either foreign aid or racism or immigration!

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Hey Filo, I was merely commenting on your statement here;

'Politics in Britain is in a pretty sad state right now, something it shares with most of the Western World at present'.

For many of us politics became irremeably elitist and extreme when the masses were ignored and derided by pompous elitists (typically your Social Democrat 'centrist' 'liberal' spouting the tired old consensus PC narrative).
Instead of responding to our concerns over mass immigration & massive foreign aid, the elites resorted to pulling race cards to silence us.

THAT'S AN EXTREME BEHAVIOUR.

Brexit was the first chance we had at long last to put 2 fingers up to the profoundly arrogant establishment.

So I do take issue with your assertion politics is no in a 'sorry state', quite the reverse, the new populism is a direct response to stale and rancid liberal elitism which favoured the status quo whereby our liberal masters with their innate sense of superiority have had their noses bloodied.

Lornapink

andrewf75 wrote: »

Do we really need to insult all of one side as naiive?

Ah I see your ready to play the role of the righteous when it suits, but happy to call others deranged.


Absolutely classic 'kinder gentler politics' duality from those with zero self-awareness. Top marks.

Thrugelmir

andrewf75 wrote: »

Age gives you experience, but it also makes people set in their ways and more focussed on whats best for themselves rather than society as a whole so I would say they cancel each other out.

With age comes wisdom. The vast majority of teenagers who set-off as revolutionaries. Mature and ultimately become more conservative (with a small c) over time. Understanding history helps us all understand change and how the society we live in came to be.

Filo25

Lornapink wrote: »

Hey Filo, I was merely commenting on your statement here;

'Politics in Britain is in a pretty sad state right now, something it shares with most of the Western World at present'.

For many of us politics became irremeably elitist and extreme when the masses were ignored and derided by pompous elitists (typically your Social Democrat 'centrist' 'liberal' spouting the tired old consensus PC narrative).
Instead of responding to our concerns over mass immigration & massive foreign aid, the elites resorted to pulling race cards to silence us.

THAT'S AN EXTREME BEHAVIOUR.

Brexit was the first chance we had at long last to put 2 fingers up to the profoundly arrogant establishment.

So I do take issue with your assertion politics is no in a 'sorry state', quite the reverse, the new populism is a direct response to stale and rancid liberal elitism which favoured the status quo whereby our liberal masters with their innate sense of superiority have had their noses bloodied.

I would say politics is in a pretty sad state as we are now at the stage where people listen to the likes of Rees Mogg, Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage heading up a populist campaign to stick it to the Elites and nobody thinks there is anything deeply dysfunctional about that, it may be an effective campaign, but lets not ignore the fact that a lot of the "elite" were involved in a campaign which was purportedly anti-elite in nature.

I fully believe that the likes of Rees Mogg and Johnson could care less about immigration or sticking it to the elites, their reasons for wanting Brexit are different, but they were handy issues ot use in the campaign.