Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

andrewf75

ukcarper wrote: »

It's sounds to me like you are just looking for a way out it obvious that people didn't want to leave but be subject to all rules of EU. It's impossible to make everybody but people on both sides have to accept that can't have everything they want.

Plenty object to the aims of the political project rather than the rules. We've never been keen on the political project (even remainers) so in many ways being in it for trade but outside the political side is our natural place in Europe.

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

It's sounds to me like you are just looking for a way out it obvious that people didn't want to leave but be subject to all rules of EU. It's impossible to make everybody but people on both sides have to accept that can't have everything they want.

Nothing is obvious and that's the core of the problem.

Lornapink

Filo25 wrote: »

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Politics in Britain is in a pretty sad state right now, something it shares with most of the Western World at present.

Arrogant extremist centrism bought us where find ourselves today.
There's nothing moderate about foisting massive immigration on a people without their consent and then seeking to discredit their concerns with the race card.


There's nothing moderate or decent in encouraging taking desperately needed nurses and Doctors away from impoverished Africans whilst failing to bother training your own people for those jobs.

Herzlos

extremist centrism is a new one on me. Surely it's one or the other?

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

Nothing is obvious and that's the core of the problem.

Only to you are a few others who don't want to accept result.

andrewf75

Lornapink wrote: »

Arrogant extremist centrism bought us where find ourselves today.
There's nothing moderate about foisting massive immigration on a people without their consent and then seeking to discredit their concerns with the race card.


There's nothing moderate or decent in encouraging taking desperately needed nurses and Doctors away from impoverished Africans whilst failing to bother training your own people for those jobs.

Extremist centrism is certainly an odd and contradictory term! No-one foisted anything on people. High immigration (which I agree is rightly a concern) has come about not by design, but by a number of factors all coming together. Our model of capitalism requiring ever more growth, our ageing populations and an increasingly globalised and connected world. We’ll see in the next decade that the government will struggle to bring it down.

The trouble with Brexit and the politics of the right generally is that they have no answer to these underlying causes and just want to carry on in the same way. At least the views of someone like Corbyn or even Trump make sense in that he wants radical change. I’ve always found it ironic that the politics of the right need immigration more than those of the left. The left should be leading on reducing immigration because it fits with their other policies.

ukcarper

andrewf75 wrote: »

Extremist centrism is certainly an odd and contradictory term! No-one foisted anything on people. High immigration (which I agree is rightly a concern) has come about not by design, but by a number of factors all coming together. Our model of capitalism requiring ever more growth, our ageing populations and an increasingly globalised and connected world. We’ll see in the next decade that the government will struggle to bring it down.

The trouble with Brexit and the politics of the right generally is that they have no answer to these underlying causes and just want to carry on in the same way. At least the views of someone like Corbyn make sense in that he wants radical change. I’ve always found it ironic that the politics of the right need immigration more than those of the left. The left should be leading on reducing immigration because it fits with their other policies.

I wonder what Corbyn really thinks and if his party hadn't been taken over by remain supporting naive people what his stance on brexit would be. Radical change is one thing but making promises that he has no chance of delivering is another.

andrewf75

ukcarper wrote: »

I wonder what Corbyn really thinks and if his party hadn't been taken over by remain supporting naive people what his stance on brexit would be. Radical change is one thing but making promises that he has no chance of delivering is another.

Do we really need to insult all of one side as naiive? Can’t believe some people are still at that level.
But Corbyn is quite clearly a Brexiter much more so than most Tories even Johnson but as you say most of Labours new support are remainers so he has played it down while May has done the opposite pretending to be in favour now.

ukcarper

andrewf75 wrote: »

Do we really need to insult all of one side as naiive? Can’t believe some people are still at that level.
But Corbyn is quite clearly a Brexiter much more so than most Tories even Johnson but as you say most of Labours new support are remainers so he has played it down while May has done the opposite pretending to be in favour now.

I think many Of Corbyn's supporters are naive I was at their age the one thing age does give you is experience. I've certainly become less left wing as I've got older, although I find some of Corbyn's policies attractive I don't think he would be able to enact them and would damage the country trying.

I also find it odd that we have a remain PM and Brexiter leader of opposition.

andrewf75

ukcarper wrote: »

I think many Of Corbyn's supporters are naive I was at their age the one thing age does give you is experience. I've certainly become less left wing as I've got older, although I find some of Corbyn's policies attractive I don't think he would be able to enact them and would damage the country trying.

Not sure Labour momentum types are any more naiive than many Daily Express reading pensioners.

Age gives you experience, but it also makes people set in their ways and more focussed on whats best for themselves rather than society as a whole so I would say they cancel each other out. We need a balance of young and old ideas. Right now and for a long time we have had far too much of the old so its great that young people are engaging in politics even if they appear naiive.

I think its a really bad thing for society the way people make generalisations about young or old. There are clever and stupid people of all ages.