Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

How so? All she's ensured so far is that Parliament gets a say in the Brexit deal.

Yes, she ensured that Parliament had a vote and then they didn't vote how she wanted. So she won but she lost.

Enterprise_1701C

OK, lets roll back a couple of years and say Remain won 52% to 48%. Would people be happy if Gina was desperately trying to get a new referendum because we had found out what the eu were really intending and the vote appeared to have swung the way of Brexit? Wouldn't Remainers then be shouting "we have had a referendum, you can't have another one".

That is only a hypothetical question, you can answer whichever way you want because it won't happen.

I voted Remain, but would now definitely vote leave. There must be quite a few people that have changed their mind after seeing that the eu do really want their army (in spite of denials), that they want to take on more non-contributing countries, that they want everyone in the euro by 2025 or they will create a two speed Europe etc etc.

The truth is we never knew what the eu were going to decide they wanted to do next, governments were instructed to avoid telling the electorate what was going on in case they decided they wanted none of it. The whole idea was to create a united states of Europe by stealth.

StevieJ

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

I voted Remain, but would now definitely vote leave. There must be quite a few people that have changed their mind after seeing that the eu do really want their army (in spite of denials), that they want to take on more non-contributing countries, that they want everyone in the euro by 2025 or they will create a two speed Europe etc etc.

The truth is we never knew what the eu were going to decide they wanted to do next, governments were instructed to avoid telling the electorate what was going on in case they decided they wanted none of it. The whole idea was to create a united states of Europe by stealth.

You voted remain? all that stuff is just scenario planning and was well known about before the referendum. Two speed Europe great, they do their Euro integration thing and we and a few others do our thing within the EU/single market/customs union, what was the problem?
https://www.newsweek.com/brexit-eu-europe-jean-claude-juncker-future-europe-scenarios-562555

wunferall

StevieJ wrote: »

You voted remain? all that stuff is just scenario planning and was well known about before the referendum. Two speed Europe great, they do their Euro integration thing and we and a few others do our thing within the EU/single market/customs union, what was the problem?
https://www.newsweek.com/brexit-eu-europe-jean-claude-juncker-future-europe-scenarios-562555

No, they were suspected before the referendum - and BTW your link is from 2017, after the referendum.

Not only that but the EU plans for their own army etc. were roundly ridiculed by some of the remainers in here.

Enterprise has a point in that it is the lack of openness and the the insidious march of what is seen by many as unnecessary and/or unwanted advances towards a United States of Europe which IMHO many British are becoming aware of, when perhaps they did not realise before the referendum.

Zero_Gravitas

Yet more evidence that the will of the people is no longer in favour of brexit:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45098550

To which it is worth adding: “If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy” (David Davis).

scaredofdebt

I voted Remain, being somewhat on the fence but am now more strongly in favour of Remaining being about a grand out of pocket so far due to the referendum.

I really don't want to be more out of pocket, even with the illusion of taking back control.

StevieJ

scaredofdebt wrote: »

I voted Remain, being somewhat on the fence but am now more strongly in favour of Remaining being about a grand out of pocket so far due to the referendum.

I really don't want to be more out of pocket, even with the illusion of taking back control.

All about positioning/luck/age , I should imagine many of those oldies have made a pretty penny out of the fall in Sterling. Them being invested in foreign companies through their pensions/investments.

LHW99

I should imagine many of those oldies have made a pretty penny out of the fall in Sterling. Them being invested in foreign companies through their pensions/investments.

And those under 60 don't have any pensions/investments in foreign companies? It has been suggested historically that older people reduce their stockmarket exposure as they progress into retirement.

lisyloo

LHW99 wrote: »

And those under 60 don't have any pensions/investments in foreign companies? It has been suggested historically that older people reduce their stockmarket exposure as they progress into retirement.

I don't really understand this (and perhaps not the best board), but if I'm retiring at 55 and expecting to live until 90 then why would I want to de-risk assuming drawdown?
If you are buying an annuity then that's quite different.

ess0two

mayonnaise wrote: »

I had to google in what way Ms. Miller is 'at it again' and it looks like she launched a website, 'End the Chaos'.
https://endthechaos.co.uk/
Thanks for the heads-up, I donated, so it's just not George Soros.

A fool and his money are easily parted.