Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

BobQ

Rinoa wrote: »

Remainers. Take it easy.

Maybe give it a rest for a few days.

Hugs.



https://inews.co.uk/news/health/brexit-effect-remain-supporters-psychological-disorder/

Coming from an obsessive Brexit fanatic that is rather rich.

ukcarper

BobQ wrote: »

True, but that just lead to a situation in which the Brexit advocates have to deliver. The tragedy was a lack of statesmanship from both sides. It was always going to be close. Had remain won we would have chugged along as before with Cameron continually saying "the decision has been made we must move on". But the Brexit side would have continued to chip away at the EU's limitations. By winning the Brexit side now has to deliver what people wanted. But as the problems come to the fore (and yes as the Remain side chips away at the lack of progress) the Brexit side's inability to solve all the problems they promised will make Brexit seem like a failure to a lot of people.

Problem as I see is that the Brexiters are not in the driving seat, I wonder how things would be progressing if Brexiters had a majority in Parliament.

BobQ

Arklight wrote: »

Brexit is crumbling.

The Tories are crumbling.

Theresa May has no mandate and no clue.

The Tories are usually motivated by the needs of business, so I suspect that May has now got the message that if she does not want to go down in history as the one who wrecked our economy for another 10 years she has to hang in there and deliver something that looks like EFTA membership in the EEA.

BobQ

ukcarper wrote: »

Problem as I see is that the Brexiters are not in the driving seat, I wonder how things would be progressing if Brexiters had a majority in Parliament.

Some would say its a problem but others that it is a constitutional break on the those who are still trying to run the asylum ::)

Moby

Arklight wrote: »

Brexit is crumbling.

The Tories are crumbling.

Theresa May has no mandate and no clue.

I'm reading 'Fallout' by Tim Shipman, a highly regarded journalists commentary on the last election and resulting fallout. People who still have any respect for May should read it. It describes what a disaster she is, totally dependent on the advice of two unelected advisers who controlled access to anyone else, bullied anyone who wasn't onside and who ruined the careers of good civil servants to save their own skins.

Graham_Devon

Moby wrote: »

I'm reading 'Fallout' by Tim Shipman, a highly regarded journalists commentary on the last election and resulting fallout. People who still have any respect for May should read it. It describes what a disaster she is, totally dependent on the advice of two unelected advisers who controlled access to anyone else, bullied anyone who wasn't onside and who ruined the careers of good civil servants to save their own skins.

Not really a May supportter, but sounds like one of those books that only those who already dislike her would read.

gfplux

Herzlos wrote: »

I had an interesting dilemma the other day; my work calendar is fully booked until March, and I'm now being asked to start filling April. Seems simple enough, right? But since we've no idea what the relationship with the EU will be by then, how cautious do I need to be?


Now I mean I'm sure we'll still be able to travel freely (albeit with a VISA, and I'll probably need to send engineering equipment in advance to get it through customs*), but we don't know when the VISA program will open to us, or how long it'll take. We've no idea what the customs situation is or how long it'll take. Flights I'm sure will probably be fine if they don't get cancelled due to lack of demand or get stuck somewhere.


So do I just avoid visiting EU in April to give it a month for everything to settle, or is 2 weeks enough?
Do I assume that nothing will actually change and be prepared to embarrass myself by having to cancel bookings? Do I just try and make sure I'm over there before Brexit comes into effect?


So Brexiteers, if it was your time, reputation and money on the line, what would you do?



*This introduces a new issue; if my equipment takes longer to send, I need to send it further in advance (I can get it from my office to a customer site by the next day currently). Depending on my schedule and the delays, I may need to fork out for additional sets and have multiple ones in flight to different sites at a time, which is going to cost $$$$'s and be a logistical nightmare.

We are also involved although it is not a business issue, just holiday/shopping.

We are a mixed Brit/EU family living in a EU27 country.
We travel 2 or 3 of times to the UK each year through London City airport or Dover.
By this time of year at least one of those trips has been booked.

As a family we have decided to avoid the U.K. from April to December 2019.
Probably everything would be OK but with the remote possibility of difficulties caused by Governments or more likely newly recruited, poorly trained, jobs worth border guards (on both sides) we will spend our €€’s elsewhere.

We have excepted that with the introduction of ETIAS in 2020 it might be 2021 before we venture a trip to the U.K.

Moby

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Not really a May supportter, but sounds like one of those books that only those who already dislike her would read.

No actually Tim Shipman is part of the establishment, political editor of the Times and writes for the Mail and Express. He's probably a tory and admits to voting for brexit.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/12/tim-shipman-s-fall-out-reveals-nastiness-behind-scenes-tory-tragedy

Moby

http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/dg0rjrkwsz/Eurotrack_July18_w.pdf
Interesting poll showing the level of support for the EU in a sample of countries:
shows remain/leave as:

UK 47/41
Germany 55/23
France 49/26
Denmark 60/26
Sweden 56/28
Finland 53/28
Norway 20/62

ukcarper

BobQ wrote: »

Some would say its a problem but others that it is a constitutional break on the those who are still trying to run the asylum ::)

I'd agree to some extent and as May is getting criticised from both sides it shows she must being doing something right. The only thing I would add is we don't know how EU would react if we had a brexit supporting governments and they new that we would leave without a deal instead of thinking we will back down.