Travel Insurance for Post-Brexit holiday

gfplux

peachyprice wrote: »

Ok, you've lost me there. We cannot get in to or out of mainlaind Europe without showing our passports, never have been able to, nothing will change there, all ports of entry have fully staffed borders, always have done. Why are they suddenly going to have 'newly recruited and poorly trained border staff' when they have full border security already?

I think you will find that much of the scrutiny of your passport took place BEFORE you boarded.

I also don’t understand you if you are saying that Britain taking back control of its border will see NO CHANGES at that border.

Voyager2002

Just found this from the Guardian: what the airlines are saying about the issue.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/oct/04/thomas-cook-compensation-no-deal-brexit-disruption

peachyprice

gfplux wrote: »

I think you will find that much of the scrutiny of your passport took place BEFORE you boarded.

I also don’t understand you if you are saying that Britain taking back control of its border will see NO CHANGES at that border.

I take it you don't travel much?

Yes, here in the UK passports are checked as you board the plane, most other countries have proper passport control, so you agree no change there.

In the vast majority of airports in the EU passports are also checked when you disembark. No change there, just the name of the booth we use will change.

We have never relinquished control of our border, so no change there either.

Voyager2002

Indout96 wrote: »

I get your point BUT (you knew that was coming) At the moment most people getting off a "holiday" plane are tourist so will be heading for the same desk as they were before Brexit, it will just have another name. Yes there is the possibility that the checks "could" take longer but in reality they should not.


US immigration has been sped up no end by the ESTA pre authorisation system. Most airports (excluding Chicago / Atlanta) are now faster than arriving back in the UK.


A travel visa normally takes less than 5 mins to sort out - I have just done ours for Cape Verde in less that 2 mins. US ESTA takes around 10 mins for the new extended form every two years.


Maybe with the enhanced checks and the longer delays when arriving back at Manchester it might be possible for them to get the bags to the carousel by the time we get there but I doubt it.

Let us consider a specific example: a flight from Bradford to Malaga, where at least 90 per cent of the passengers are tourists.


At present, all that Spanish Immigration needs to do is ensure that every arriving passenger has a valid passport from an EU member country, something that takes all of 15 seconds (possibly a bit longer if the officer suspects that the passport might be a forgery). Once the UK is no longer an EU country, the officer will need to ensure that each British passenger is a tourist rather than someone who might want to work illegally, and so the process may take longer (depending on how carefully they wish to check). Meanwhile there will probably be another desk open for arriving passengers who are still citizens of an EU country such as France or Germany, who will still be admitted as soon as the officer has verified that their passports are valid.

My guess is that Spain will not be all that fussed, and so processing each British passenger will take about a minute. So four times the current workload, so a bit of a wait. (And remember that the odd Moroccan or Indian visitor will be using the same desk as the Britons, so there might be quite a wait while she is thoroughly interrogated.)


I am bemused by your point about visas: evidently you have been to some very different countries from me! My visa for India took a complete day of messing about (as well as a wait of about a month); my first US visa took around six weeks; while for an African or Asian a visa to visit the UK or an EU country can easily take more than two months -- even if it is eventually granted! Yes: there are examples where it is very easy when the 'host' country wants visitors from the sending country. For example my visa for Cambodia was issued on arrival within about 15 minutes. However, it is entirely possible that EU countries like Germany will regard British visitors with the same degree of suspicion that we now regard Indian visitors, and that could lead to an equally tiresome process. Remember that even if (say) Spain wants to welcome us, the regulations will be harmonised across the Schengen zone and made as tough as demanded by the most suspicious of the Schengen countries.

Indout96

Are you seriously suggesting that we will need a full visa for travel to Europe in the future ? rather than a visa waiver system. Project fear at work again ?
A US ESTA takes 10 mins to fill out, yes as in the case of my wife one year it did not get authorised until the next day (no idea why) but hardly a problem. As you say you had to apply for a visa I am assuming you were not just a regular tourist or have other conditions but that is not normally the case.
Anyway as in the Y2K fiasco the sky will not drop in and we will still be able to travel to Europe and if they don't want us we will go elsewhere. I will be in Vegas and most likely Jamaica but not booked that yet so the EU can do what it wants.

gettingtheresometime

Indout96 wrote: »

US immigration has been sped up no end by the ESTA pre authorisation system. Most airports (excluding Chicago / Atlanta) are now faster than arriving back in the UK.

Goodness knows how long my 2 hour wait at San Francisco would have been then pre ESTA days ............

Voyager2002

Indout96 wrote: »

Are you seriously suggesting that we will need a full visa for travel to Europe in the future ? rather than a visa waiver system. Project fear at work again ?
A US ESTA takes 10 mins to fill out, yes as in the case of my wife one year it did not get authorised until the next day (no idea why) but hardly a problem. As you say you had to apply for a visa I am assuming you were not just a regular tourist or have other conditions but that is not normally the case.
Anyway as in the Y2K fiasco the sky will not drop in and we will still be able to travel to Europe and if they don't want us we will go elsewhere. I will be in Vegas and most likely Jamaica but not booked that yet so the EU can do what it wants.

Not sure if this was meant for me...

Anyway, it was you who first mentioned visas. I do not expect any EU country to introduce a visa requirement in the short term. Nor, however, did I expect the UK to have any difficulty about trading on WTO terms, yet apparently our application to the WTO is being blocked by Moldova. The point is, it only needs one Schengen country to decide to be strict with us and they would all be obliged to follow.


And yes, an ESTA for the USA is quick and easy although I object to the fee. I needed a visa to work there.


I hope that you are right, but my view is that just about any insanity is possible. For instance, did you know that the agreement under which airlines belonging to IAG (including BA, Norwegian and Iberia) can fly to the USA will lapse with Brexit?

gfplux

peachyprice wrote: »

I take it you don't travel much?

Yes, here in the UK passports are checked as you board the plane, most other countries have proper passport control, so you agree no change there.

In the vast majority of airports in the EU passports are also checked when you disembark. No change there, just the name of the booth we use will change.

We have never relinquished control of our border, so no change there either.

You are quite right my days of two to four flights a week ended when I retired over twenty years ago. I assume you are a regular traveler.
Living within the Schengen area close to non existent borders with three countrys my recent experience of travel with a passport is limited.
On Saturday I fly within the Schengen area from Luxembourg to Spain (Tenerife) If my recollection is correct I will need an official travel document (in my case a Passport, my wife an ID card) at some stage before boarding in both Luxembourg and on return in Spain.
On landing in Spain I recall passengers from Britain and Luxembourg planes mingling with no separation and no passport checks.
On Saturday I will be able to confirm this.
After March 2019 what do you think will happen.
In theory the Spanish authorities will have to separate travelers from the EU from travelers from outside the EU.
Now that will be interesting. Spain at many ports of entry have just waived through the tens of thousands of Brits, Germans, French, Italians and Scandinavians with no or little checks. In the future they will have to segregate the Brits in some way.
This could result in a major change in travel time however the Spanish authorities will ensure it is hardly noticed in their normal efficient way.

gfplux

Indout96 wrote: »

Are you seriously suggesting that we will need a full visa for travel to Europe in the future ? rather than a visa waiver system. Project fear at work again ?
A US ESTA takes 10 mins to fill out, yes as in the case of my wife one year it did not get authorised until the next day (no idea why) but hardly a problem. As you say you had to apply for a visa I am assuming you were not just a regular tourist or have other conditions but that is not normally the case.
Anyway as in the Y2K fiasco the sky will not drop in and we will still be able to travel to Europe and if they don't want us we will go elsewhere. I will be in Vegas and most likely Jamaica but not booked that yet so the EU can do what it wants.

From 2021 Brits will need an ETIAS, similar to USA ESTA, to enter the Schengen area.
ETIAS was proposed before Brexit as it is just to tighten up entry to the area of free movement. It will have one great advantage as it will make it more difficult for travelers with criminal records to travel to Mediterranean sunshine.

I am surprised how few posters mention it.

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2018/09/05/european-travel-information-and-authorisation-system-etias-council-adopts-regulation/

peachyprice

gfplux wrote: »

You are quite right my days of two to four flights a week ended when I retired over twenty years ago. I assume you are a regular traveler.
Living within the Schengen area close to non existent borders with three countrys my recent experience of travel with a passport is limited.
On Saturday I fly within the Schengen area from Luxembourg to Spain (Tenerife) If my recollection is correct I will need an official travel document (in my case a Passport, my wife an ID card) at some stage before boarding in both Luxembourg and on return in Spain.
On landing in Spain I recall passengers from Britain and Luxembourg planes mingling with no separation and no passport checks.
On Saturday I will be able to confirm this.
After March 2019 what do you think will happen.
In theory the Spanish authorities will have to separate travelers from the EU from travelers from outside the EU.
Now that will be interesting. Spain at many ports of entry have just waived through the tens of thousands of Brits, Germans, French, Italians and Scandinavians with no or little checks. In the future they will have to segregate the Brits in some way.
This could result in a major change in travel time however the Spanish authorities will ensure it is hardly noticed in their normal efficient way.

I think you remember incorrectly.

Planes arriving from the UK will always be treated as an 'international' arrival and passports will need to be checked.

It's possible that, in some airports in the EU, that planes arriving from Schengen countries are treated as domestic and will allow people to disembark without passport control, I don't know I haven't come across it, but maybe that is what happened at the airport you are referring to? If there were people from the UK on such a flight, yes you are correct, they wouldn't have to show their passport, but they would have had to have shown their passport at their first port of entry into the Schengen area, no different to people from say the US lying from London to Scotland, they would be able to take that flight without passing through passport control.

And yes, I do travel extensively throughout the EU, I have never, anywhere out of the dozen or so countries I travel to regularly, including the odd trip to Spain, been able to leave an airport without passing through passport control, not once.