Travel Insurance for Post-Brexit holiday

Voyager2002

peachyprice wrote: »

Our aircraft, pilots and ATC meet EU standards and will continue to do so after Brexit, the only reason for there to be any difficulties is if the EU decide there will be.

Will their member states, who rely heavily on UK tourism to keep their country afloat, back a bloody-minded move to prevent UK planes, which meet all regulations, arriving in their country? I doubt it.

In this context what matters is that they have valid certification that the standards are met. Therein lies the problem. Not at all a question of bloody-mindedness (since everyone would lose from that) but a formidable technical difficulty.

There is no question of a "bloody-minded move": rather there is a need for a heroic effort to put in place the legal framework necessary to keep the 'planes flying.

gfplux

peachyprice wrote: »

Our aircraft, pilots and ATC meet EU standards and will continue to do so after Brexit, the only reason for there to be any difficulties is if the EU decide there will be.

Will their member states, who rely heavily on UK tourism to keep their country afloat, back a bloody-minded move to prevent UK planes, which meet all regulations, arriving in their country? I doubt it.

I think you are missing the point while concentrating on only one party to the withdrawal agreement negotiations.

I am sure a withdrawal/transition agreement will be signed. It may be later than we all thought. In the meantime perhaps some capacity will be taken out of the system as contingency plans are put in place by Airlines and ferries.

However the main issue will be at arrival when newly recruited and poorlly trained border staff handle the new situation.

This is likely to cause a problem for Brits arriving in the EU27 and for EU27 citizens arriving in Britain.

It might be an important problem for the elderly and those travelling with young children.

peachyprice

gfplux wrote: »

I think you are missing the point while concentrating on only one party to the withdrawal agreement negotiations.

I am sure a withdrawal/transition agreement will be signed. It may be later than we all thought. In the meantime perhaps some capacity will be taken out of the system as contingency plans are put in place by Airlines and ferries.

However the main issue will be at arrival when newly recruited and poorlly trained border staff handle the new situation.

This is likely to cause a problem for Brits arriving in the EU27 and for EU27 citizens arriving in Britain.

It might be an important problem for the elderly and those travelling with young children.

Ok, you've lost me there. We cannot get in to or out of mainlaind Europe without showing our passports, never have been able to, nothing will change there, all ports of entry have fully staffed borders, always have done. Why are they suddenly going to have 'newly recruited and poorly trained border staff' when they have full border security already?

sheramber

Since there will be many more people to check it is either have long queues or employ more staff.

There were already queues for 21/2 hours at Heathrow this summer and that is before Brexit.

Voyager2002

peachyprice wrote: »

Our aircraft, pilots and ATC meet EU standards and will continue to do so after Brexit, the only reason for there to be any difficulties is if the EU decide there will be.

Will their member states, who rely heavily on UK tourism to keep their country afloat, back a bloody-minded move to prevent UK planes, which meet all regulations, arriving in their country? I doubt it.

You are applying common sense to a rules-based situation. My earlier post is informed by my experience (as a civil servant) of implementing EU law. Common sense has no relevance to the way that these things work.

Indout96

sheramber wrote: »

Since there will be many more people to check it is either have long queues or employ more staff.

There were already queues for 21/2 hours at Heathrow this summer and that is before Brexit.

Why will there be more people ? looking at the doom & gloom merchants on here who are convinced they will not be able to travel there will be far less people to check so less queues than before.
In my last job I travelled to Germany or Netherlands almost every other week, at no point did I ever get off the plane and just waltz out of the airport, every time without fail I had to get in a queue and show my passport to a (generally miserable) security officer.
Again - what will change.

peachyprice

sheramber wrote: »

Since there will be many more people to check it is either have long queues or employ more staff.

There were already queues for 21/2 hours at Heathrow this summer and that is before Brexit.

There won't be more people to check, everyone gets checked now, just at different booths.

Same number of people
Same number of booths
The only thing that will change is the UK/RoW booth ratio.

Voyager2002

Indout96 wrote: »

Why will there be more people ? looking at the doom & gloom merchants on here who are convinced they will not be able to travel there will be far less people to check so less queues than before.
In my last job I travelled to Germany or Netherlands almost every other week, at no point did I ever get off the plane and just waltz out of the airport, every time without fail I had to get in a queue and show my passport to a (generally miserable) security officer.
Again - what will change.

At the moment there are different desks and rules for EU/EEA passengers and for aliens. Aliens are subject to more rigorous checks: they may need visas, and even if a visa is not required they are not usually allowed to come and work and so need to be questioned about their visit, how they will pay for their holiday, and so forth.


From next April there will be fewer people using the EU/EEA desks and many more using the aliens' channels. So the total amount of checking, questioning and processing will increase. Will there be a corresponding increase in resources? We don't know, but I have my doubts.

peachyprice

Voyager2002 wrote: »

You are applying common sense to a rules-based situation. My earlier post is informed by my experience (as a civil servant) of implementing EU law. Common sense has no relevance to the way that these things work.

Or course not, silly me :rotfl:

Indout96

Voyager2002 wrote: »

At the moment there are different desks and rules for EU/EEA passengers and for aliens. Aliens are subject to more rigorous checks: they may need visas, and even if a visa is not required they are not usually allowed to come and work and so need to be questioned about their visit, how they will pay for their holiday, and so forth.


From next April there will be fewer people using the EU/EEA desks and many more using the aliens' channels. So the total amount of checking, questioning and processing will increase. Will there be a corresponding increase in resources? We don't know, but I have my doubts.

I get your point BUT (you knew that was coming) At the moment most people getting off a "holiday" plane are tourist so will be heading for the same desk as they were before Brexit, it will just have another name. Yes there is the possibility that the checks "could" take longer but in reality they should not.


US immigration has been sped up no end by the ESTA pre authorisation system. Most airports (excluding Chicago / Atlanta) are now faster than arriving back in the UK.


A travel visa normally takes less than 5 mins to sort out - I have just done ours for Cape Verde in less that 2 mins. US ESTA takes around 10 mins for the new extended form every two years.


Maybe with the enhanced checks and the longer delays when arriving back at Manchester it might be possible for them to get the bags to the carousel by the time we get there but I doubt it.