Tablet lifespan?

Dreamnine

I like iPads - they seem to last a long time and hold their value. I paid £600 odd for the iPad Pro 10.5" last year and don't regret it; the tablet is very useful even if I struggle to find a use for the pencil.

Also, I find them better (for me) than android or Windows tablets in general.

Stoke

john22 wrote: »

It!!!8217;s called pushing the platform forward and the company forward. Leaving old hardware or code behind helps a company focus on what they see as the future and not have hands tied supporting old stuff. All companies do it to some degree and how much they do it will depend on their customer base and the companies vision.

When companies decide to do this they!!!8217;re taking a high risk that they will make customers unhappy to the point that the customer will not buy from them again. Or they will create something that customers will buy to get pleasure from.

I get it why some people will not buy Apple products based on their prices, not supporting old technology and no longer making certain types of products. However to others this is not a major issue and for them Apple gives them something that they want.

However how you describe the picture is being over dramatic. If I felt for a moment I was at the mercy of a company who would kill my device whenever they fancy it and leave me in the lurch I would not buy from them because to me that!!!8217;s a crap product.

What!!!8217;s important is the individual has to know what they want in features and price before buying anything. If that company can!!!8217;t deliver what they want then buy it elsewhere or buy the nearest thing to it and get on with enjoying it.

They've proper gotten to you haven't they? They literally could drop a turd on your plate and you'd chew it up and enjoy it with a glass of wine. A toast to Jobsy eh?

Not that I'm a fan of Microsoft, but to me, leaving old 'legacy' hardware behind is a like when they officially announced they would drop support for the 16bit x86 processors, like the 8086, a good 10+ years after they had been discontinued by Intel.

Apple migrated to Intel in 2006 and discontinued PowerPC at the same time. PowerPC's were being sold for months after the Intel switchover. 3 years later, Snow Leopard officially killed all support for PowerPC. That's it. No OS updates anymore, Leopard you stay.... which means you're now stuck in the past and at best a few security updates and bug fixes. Slowly mainstream applications become outdated and updates stop and you're left with an expensive paperweight. I'm not sure 3 years old is quite my definition of 'legacy hardware', but there we go. You're a fanboy. You'll nod and smile happily.

I have no opinion on the price point of Apple. Market forces, supply and demand. Yes they are expensive, but so is a good car. You want a good car, you pay more. You want a cheaper nasty car, you pay less. That said, I suspect a cheap nasty car will last longer than 3 years.... unlike those PowerPC's being sold in 2006 at a cost of £1000 or more.

Like I said, Apple make good products, but they're a bit ruthless. That's how they operate. For the majority of people, it doesn't matter. People are happy to continue upgrading their iPhone's every 2 years and that's absolutely fine. I prefer to keep my phone for a few years longer, but that goes against Apple's business model.... hence I don't use their products.

John, I highlighted your penultimate paragraph because it's like you are trying to re-write history. They did kill PowerPC, within 3 years of it still being their standard. They left customers in the lurch and those customers were absolutely at the mercy of Apple. You can't argue with reality buddy just because you love that fruit logo so much. They did it. It happened. It's in the history books now. I've always maintained the main reason it didn't affect their customer base is because nobody bought Macs around that time anyway. Everyone, except the hardcore dedicated fanbois (like you), pretty much thought OSX was garbage anyway (Panther was horrendous, one of the worst OS' of all time). Leopard and Snow Leopard were where they finally started getting it right and all of a sudden, people realised OSX wasn't so bad and Apple's were a competing product now worth considering. Of course, they have come on leaps and bounds since then.

Personally, I find Apple's business model to work against the customer rather than for it. If the solution to fixing an old Mac is to install Linux (and on many Mac forums, it is), then something is very wrong.

Typed from my Debian Laptop running GNOME.

donnajunkie

My dad has a samsung tab s2 and the battery doesnt last very long and it takes many hours to charge. I used to think it was a great tablet but i dont think i would get a Samsung again. Are there any decent android tablets around?

RumRat

donnajunkie wrote: »

My dad has a samsung tab s2 and the battery doesnt last very long and it takes many hours to charge. I used to think it was a great tablet but i dont think i would get a Samsung again. Are there any decent android tablets around?

Just replace the batteries, Plenty of instructions on line. Or drop it to your local independent phone shop/stall and I'm sure they'll do it.
It's still a great tablet, just running out of steam quickly, probably a bit like yourself....;):)
Batteries are a problem with all mobile devices....

dekaspace

The problem with tech especially phones and tablets is they are effectively either at the manufacturers mercy or reliant on someone making a customised firmware which takes tech skills to install and still has its own limits.


The thing about Apple I think that gets to people is since they have limited hardware options they should be more optimised even on older devices (to a point) Android and Windows theres so many hardware possibilities that its impossible to optimise any, with Apple you are paying the premium for a locked down OS, limited hardware options but have all the pros and cons attached.


I have a Samsung Tab3, it was blazing fast when I got it bar full of bloat like American news apps I never use and the updates have made it slower than my budget Chinese phone.


I could get a custom firmware and flash it which just has Play Store on which will make it fast but never got round to it.

System

Stoke wrote: »

They've proper gotten to you haven't they? They literally could drop a turd on your plate and you'd chew it up and enjoy it with a glass of wine. A toast to Jobsy eh?

Not that I'm a fan of Microsoft, but to me, leaving old 'legacy' hardware behind is a like when they officially announced they would drop support for the 16bit x86 processors, like the 8086, a good 10+ years after they had been discontinued by Intel.

Apple migrated to Intel in 2006 and discontinued PowerPC at the same time. PowerPC's were being sold for months after the Intel switchover. 3 years later, Snow Leopard officially killed all support for PowerPC. That's it. No OS updates anymore, Leopard you stay.... which means you're now stuck in the past and at best a few security updates and bug fixes. Slowly mainstream applications become outdated and updates stop and you're left with an expensive paperweight. I'm not sure 3 years old is quite my definition of 'legacy hardware', but there we go. You're a fanboy. You'll nod and smile happily.

I have no opinion on the price point of Apple. Market forces, supply and demand. Yes they are expensive, but so is a good car. You want a good car, you pay more. You want a cheaper nasty car, you pay less. That said, I suspect a cheap nasty car will last longer than 3 years.... unlike those PowerPC's being sold in 2006 at a cost of £1000 or more.

Like I said, Apple make good products, but they're a bit ruthless. That's how they operate. For the majority of people, it doesn't matter. People are happy to continue upgrading their iPhone's every 2 years and that's absolutely fine. I prefer to keep my phone for a few years longer, but that goes against Apple's business model.... hence I don't use their products.

John, I highlighted your penultimate paragraph because it's like you are trying to re-write history. They did kill PowerPC, within 3 years of it still being their standard. They left customers in the lurch and those customers were absolutely at the mercy of Apple. You can't argue with reality buddy just because you love that fruit logo so much. They did it. It happened. It's in the history books now. I've always maintained the main reason it didn't affect their customer base is because nobody bought Macs around that time anyway. Everyone, except the hardcore dedicated fanbois (like you), pretty much thought OSX was garbage anyway (Panther was horrendous, one of the worst OS' of all time). Leopard and Snow Leopard were where they finally started getting it right and all of a sudden, people realised OSX wasn't so bad and Apple's were a competing product now worth considering. Of course, they have come on leaps and bounds since then.

Personally, I find Apple's business model to work against the customer rather than for it. If the solution to fixing an old Mac is to install Linux (and on many Mac forums, it is), then something is very wrong.

Typed from my Debian Laptop running GNOME.

So lets get this straight they "killed" (dramatic) a pc that in your words did not really affect their customer base because around that time no one was buying macs. Erm is that not a case of a company making something that was not really selling therefore rather than waste resources they just stopped making it or supporting it?

I have never denied anything that Apple has factual done in the past whether its been good, fair or bad and all I have said to you is stop being over dramatic.

Its a private company who make decisions that they think will help the company grow and be successful and stay in business. If you don't make stuff that people want then you go out of business. However I don't think one of their business decisions is to please 7 billion people in the world all at the same time.

I get it you don't like Apple and how they approach tech and for whatever reason you have it in your head that their phones only last 2 years and the iPad is at the mercy of being killed at anytime.

I find it fascinating that something you don't have any interest in owning can create such distaste that you have to get it out of your system when someone is asking about the speed of tablets and possibly owing a chromebook. Stretching to join the dots between a company discontinuing hardware because of business needs to just taking a fancy to kill hardware whenever and anyone owning a iPad is at the mercy of them.

Now you have decided that any customer who buys from Apple is not getting a good deal because Apple works against them. Not to rain on your parade but the world does not revolve around you. Companies are not there to serve only your needs and visions of how things should be. People's needs and wants can be different because guess what people are individuals and can make decisions based on many different factors.

I love that people can buy android devices, Apple devices and chromebooks. Would I buy android devices or chromebooks no I wouldn't because that's not the experience I choose to have. However I would not throw around hyperbolical claims about those companies just because I personally would not buy their products. I wouldn't claim to know what is best for their customers and certainly not imply that anyone who buys non apple products have been gotten to so much that they would eat a turd from the company.

donnajunkie

RumRat wrote: »

Just replace the batteries, Plenty of instructions on line. Or drop it to your local independent phone shop/stall and I'm sure they'll do it.
It's still a great tablet, just running out of steam quickly, probably a bit like yourself....;):)
Batteries are a problem with all mobile devices....

The problem is we have no idea who is reliable to take it to or how expensive it would be. We dont want to take it to a cowboy.

RumRat

donnajunkie wrote: »

The problem is we have no idea who is reliable to take it to or how expensive it would be. We dont want to take it to a cowboy.

It can't be that hard to find out who's reliable and who's not in your local area.
I use a local market stall who's been around for a few years and they always deliver.
As for cost, you have to make that judgement yourself. Easy to do, look at the online videos to see how it's done, check the price of a new tablet, and weigh up the deal. Oh and don't forget to negotiate..:D

fred246

john22 wrote: »

Its a private company.

I think you'll find it's a publicly listed company and I am a share holder. Before investing I used to get upset about people buying over priced Apples. Now I recommend that everyone buys them - except me of course.

dipsomaniac

overpriced = cost of manufacture of apple phone x approx £280/retail cost £1000+