Parking Issues..

BakingC

Looking at the picture (assuming neighbors is orange car) they is abit ridiculous to park vertically out into road if that is not a designated space.

Try and approach them and suggest them parking horizontally across that kerb Infront of their house.

In terms of you getting in and out easier for the time being it looks like there is abit of space to the side in your drive. If you parked diagonally into that area as you turned in then reversed out towards the corner kerb would it be possible to turn around there to drive out past neighbors car front on?

Not sure how far this is in practice but looks like enough space in the picture. And if you hit them they can explain to the insurance company why they were not leaving enough space for a hatchback to access let alone emergency vehicles.

Davesnave

Photos can be deceptive, but that looks no worse than the situation we had in our cul-de-sac over 30 years ago, which persists to this day.

There was no turning head whatever (1898 design) We either came in backwards or left there backwards. No personal relationship issues involved.

As backwards into the major road was less safe, most of us chose to reverse in. A hassle, definitely, but not a big deal.

If your council highways dept won't yellow line there, it probably is what it is.

T3RRY

BakingC wrote: »

Looking at the picture (assuming neighbors is orange car) they is abit ridiculous to park vertically out into road if that is not a designated space.

Try and approach them and suggest them parking horizontally across that kerb Infront of their house.

In terms of you getting in and out easier for the time being it looks like there is abit of space to the side in your drive. If you parked diagonally into that area as you turned in then reversed out towards the corner kerb would it be possible to turn around there to drive out past neighbors car front on?

Not sure how far this is in practice but looks like enough space in the picture. And if you hit them they can explain to the insurance company why they were not leaving enough space for a hatchback to access let alone emergency vehicles.

The thing is they live in the property in the corner. i.e the house you can see behind the fence in the top left of the picture. In the image you can see the bays are free, and they hold six cars in total.

Just of picture to the right, there is a pouch, which is about 2m from the kerb to the door. We can fit the car there but we would have to come in wide which again is a problem because of were they are parked.

Davesnave wrote: »

Photos can be deceptive, but that looks no worse than the situation we had in our cul-de-sac over 30 years ago, which persists to this day.

There was no turning head whatever (1898 design) We either came in backwards or left there backwards. No personal relationship issues involved.

As backwards into the major road was less safe, most of us chose to reverse in. A hassle, definitely, but not a big deal.

If your council highways dept won't yellow line there, it probably is what it is.

I wonder how you managed to reverse in. You would have had to stop in the main road first then start reversing in.. we thought of that but, I would be risking my families life and others for one families stupidity. The thing is they have just started parking like that out of spite as we are one of three houses with drives. they can't even lower the kerb if they wanted to as they don't have frontage..

anselld

T3RRY wrote: »

To drop a kerb, you would not need to consult with neighbours.

.. but you would need permission from the Council. You obtained that presumably?

Davesnave

T3RRY wrote: »

I wonder how you managed to reverse in. You would have had to stop in the main road first then start reversing in.. we thought of that but, I would be risking my families life and others for one families stupidity. The thing is they have just started parking like that out of spite as we are one of three houses with drives. they can't even lower the kerb if they wanted to as they don't have frontage..

I didn't say it was a main road: it was a major residential road with through-traffic, compared with our cul-de-sac of 12 houses. It also had parking both sides, and it was narrow, so there were visbility issues. Driving and parking is like that when you live in an old, World Heritage city; it comes with the territory. Thousands of people learn to cope with it.

Here, we understand your neighbours are parking the way they do to wind you up. The question is, can anything be done about it; perhaps by painting white parking bays parallel to the kerb? A local councillor might be able to swing that for you.

Otherwise, you should do what's most appropriate when someone tries to antagonise you in a passive-aggressive way: don't give them the reaction they seek.

Fosterdog

Looking at the photo there is ample space for you to get in and out of your drive, obviously it would be easier to drive out and reverse in instead of drive in and reverse out.

The house directly opposite yours looks like they have exactly the same room as you do but a much bigger car and they seem to have managed to reverse onto their drive with no problem and with their bigger car not blocking the light into their window.

I'm sorry but you moved into the area, you didn't like parking further away from your house so had a dropped kerb added meaning there is less parking for your neighbours, now you are the one complaining that your choice of parking in your own drive in the most sensible manner will block out your light from your living room. Have you considered the fact that other people exist and the world does not revolve around you? You seem to want everything done to suit you even though it has caused problems and inconvenience for other people yet you make them out to be the bad guys. If you cannot safely manoeuvre your car in that area then you are not safe to drive at all.

bouicca21

I am not a particularly good driver but even I can work out how to reverse into that drive. Fiddly, but doable.

00ec25

Davesnave wrote: »

Photos can be deceptive, but that looks no worse than the situation we had in our cul-de-sac over 30 years ago, which persists to this day.

Fosterdog wrote: »

Looking at the photo there is ample space for you to get in and out of your drive, obviously it would be easier to drive out and reverse in instead of drive in and reverse out.

agreed

it appears this is a case of 2 stubborn people neither of whom wishes to give ground and would rather escalate a dispute than simply change their expectations

the neighbour is not causing an obstruction that prevents OP accessing their drive. OP simply needs to adopt a different behaviour pattern (or learn to drive?)

T3RRY

00ec25 wrote: »

agreed

it appears this is a case of 2 stubborn people neither of whom wishes to give ground and would rather escalate a dispute than simply change their expectations

the neighbour is not causing an obstruction that prevents OP accessing their drive. OP simply needs to adopt a different behaviour pattern (or learn to drive?)

I am not stubborn, this has been going on for 4 months now and we have not said a word to them - which in my opinion is being reasonable. I am looking for some advice as to the way to tackle this from folks that have had similar experience.

the definition of obstruct is - deliberately make (something) difficult, hinder, block. The neighbour my not be fully blocking the drive, however as I mentioned anything larger than a two door hatch back can't make it out (we are planing on getting a family estate). There is a pouch on the right and a fence on the left of the picture that prevent us from turning until we have passed the kerb.

currently we do manage to wiggle out with 4 moves, however why should we do that when there are plenty of bays that are no more than 5 meters from where they are parked now. I understand if there is no parking at all or the gap left by others is small for their big car however we get times when three spaces are free but they still insist on putting it there.

I will ignore your comment about me learning to drive, as the neighbour probably needs to learn the highway code first.

Aylesbury_Duck

T3RRY wrote: »

To drop a kerb, you would not need to consult with neighbours. We did it out of courtesy, we talked to the immediate neighbours on our left and right and one other that lives further right.

It's not clear from your original post or this one: Did you go through the necessary processes with the council to apply to have your kerb dropped and to convert your front garden to parking or did you just do it yourself after informal neighbour consultation? If the space outside what is now your drive was part of the turning head, I am surprised that the council granted permission.

If the latter, you're possibly on dodgy ground and that may explain why your neighbours are peeved.