I am about to buy a D E I S E L - Am I drunk?

AdrianC

You haven't read it very thoroughly, because that (hardly unbiased) article does not contradict what I said.

Arklight

Bachelorplace wrote: »

Some lovely writing here by the way. Some wise words also from the learned.



I think I am not over reacting, the new law and its extension means that all of London's residents out to the North and South Circular would be charged £12.50 to drive to the shops, that is a £4,000 a year bill, or buy an over priced electric car, or upgrade to a petrol that is new enough to pass.



Diesel engines, do more than that. They enable large luxury cars to be able to move and for people to be able to run them. All Land Rovers, All SUVs All Mercedes E - S - BMW 7 Audi A8 A7 A6.


Yes petrol is amazing these days however. Nobody makes a petrol X5 ( currently the highest selling SUV I think ) worth driving.



I wonder if I am however overreacting living in the Cotswolds and hardly ever taking the car into London. I may be forgeting that people in Leeds, don't give a hoot, and this might mean residuals are not of major concern.



However yes, as the media continue to batter the idea of D many will see it as a "perceived" bad buy, regardless of what they personally believe.


Whats more - if they soon ban EU6 engines too and levy charges on them, there could be some serious concern, especially if fleets have renewed to all EU6.


We were already in a car buying down turn - and this is challenging. With any luck - the values of EU6 cars will be changed to allow them to be a "no brainer" deal.


My feelings really are not just for my self but the sheer numbers of people affected in Greater London. Driving through Wembley we must have counted 1 in 10 cars or less to be EU6. And frankly not offering these people a solution or support is shocking.



I think this is as controversial as the Poll Tax and people should demand reform or clarification.



If the manufacturers catch up, they may be able to develop cleaner engines long before the EV revolution.



I would love an EV - I refer to the Renault ZOE. But really they are expensive and driving on the motorway in one, is not that pleasant.



Not to mention the new I PACE - which has already been described as "good but range anxiety is still there"

I don't drive into London very often but I'd like to have a car that can if I need to.

Irrespective of the UK, owning a diesel you want to drive around Europe looks like it's going to become confusing at best. The world isn't going to end for diesel drivers but it they'll need to plan where they drive and be prepared to pay pollution charges.

I wouldn't buy a new diesel now if I cared about resale value. Leasing would be OK.

Arklight

AdrianC wrote: »

You haven't read it very thoroughly, because that (hardly unbiased) article does not contradict what I said.

Diesels massively exceed petrol cars in real world NOx emissions.

https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/new-and-used-cars/article/air-pollution-and-car-emissions/cars-that-produce-the-most-nox

I will concede your point that diesel "bans" as such in city centres are up for debate. But the debate is not moving in diesel's favour. You have to be optimistic to believe you will be able to drive a Euro 6 diesel car in London freely after 2020 alongside petrol or hybrid vehicles.

People were missold diesel cars as being clean, they are not.

motorguy

sevenhills wrote: »

The vision should come from Government, most people drive through various different councils. Its the wish of Government for the people to blame councils for this confusion, when its the Government/country that will be fined millions ££ in court.

Apologies - "from the government and" seems to have gone missing from my typing...

motorguy

Arklight wrote: »

People were missold diesel cars as being clean, they are not.

No they werent

People bought diesels because of cheap road tax, high MPG and perceived better residuals.

sevenhills

Arklight wrote: »

Diesels emit less CO2, which is bad for the environment, and immensely more NOx, which is bad for people who don't want to die prematurely of lung disease.

Diesels emit less CO2, which is GOOD for the environment(climate change).

AdrianC

sevenhills wrote: »

Diesels emit less CO2, which is GOOD for the environment(climate change).

You're both saying the same thing.


Emitting less CO2 is good for the environment.
CO2 emissions are bad for the environment. (Well, in this context... Us humans tend to emit a lot of CO2, too - but we do so on a short-term carbon cycle, while what's mean in the context of vehicle emissions is a very long-term carbon cycle)

Arklight

Emitting no CO2 has a neutral effect on the environment. Emitting any CO2 has a detrimental effect. No car is good for the environment, including electric cars.

The works diesel we had actually had a picture of a green leaf lighting up when it was doing its regen, spewing all the pollutants it had built up into the air. Yeah get some of that leaves, you love it. Total borlicks.

n217970

I'd just like to say that if anyone would like to sell me their now "worthless" diesel for an insultingly low value I have a pittance ready and waiting. No? Well I guess residuals have not been hit that hard.

AdrianC

Arklight wrote: »

Emitting no CO2 has a neutral effect on the environment. Emitting any CO2 has a detrimental effect.

May I suggest a cessation of respiration would be beneficial, then...? The average human exhales about 1kg/day of CO2.