Job Scam ECM Team 5 Ltd

Malthusian

Mar1234 wrote: »

But how can they be a scam they have their own website? This is too elaborate to be true?

Are you serious? Anyone can have a website. Most scams have a website. You can set one up for about a tenner, if that.

andydownes123 wrote: »

I wouldn't say hotel room, more a conference room which I think would be an appropriate place to recruit imo

A conference room (in a hotel, as opposed to in the employer's office) is what I was referring to.

If you are asked to go for an interview in a hotel conference room it is a screaming red flag. If you aren't being scammed into a simple advance fee fraud, then chances are you are about to be recruited into a pyramid scheme or another type of scam instead.

I'm sure that high-powered executives get interviewed in hotel conference rooms occasionally, when they've been headhunted from a great distance and it makes more sense than flying all the way to headquarters, but if you're a high-powered executive you're not going to be reading this thread, nor are you going to be asked to hand over £180 for "training".

For hoi polloi like us there is virtually no legitimate reason why an employer would want to conduct interviews in a hotel and not at the workplace.

Nebulous2

Malthusian wrote: »

If you are asked to go for an interview in a hotel conference room it is a screaming red flag. If you aren't being scammed into a simple advance fee fraud, then chances are you are about to be recruited into a pyramid scheme or another type of scam instead.

I'm sure that high-powered executives get interviewed in hotel conference rooms occasionally, when they've been headhunted from a great distance and it makes more sense than flying all the way to headquarters, but if you're a high-powered executive you're not going to be reading this thread, nor are you going to be asked to hand over £180 for "training".

For hoi polloi like us there is virtually no legitimate reason why an employer would want to conduct interviews in a hotel and not at the workplace.

Rubbish. I worked for a care company with over 2000 employees. Services were dispersed, supporting people in their own homes. Offices were generally small, with a couple of managers / team leaders and maybe an admin worker.

When we won a new contract we used hotels widely. An open event in the morning, with service users and family members, question and answer sessions- followed by 5-6 hours of individual interviews. We also used hotels regularly for staff training.

You're making assumptions about what work consists of and what sort of accommodation a business will have.

Malthusian

Nebulous2 wrote: »

When we won a new contract we used hotels widely. An open event in the morning, with service users and family members, question and answer sessions- followed by 5-6 hours of individual interviews.

Fair enough, I will amend my statement. If you are asked to attend an interview in a hotel, and it isn't part of a much larger event with hours of events prior to your interview and dozens or hundreds of service users and family members milling about, it is a screaming red flag.

We also used hotels regularly for staff training.

If you're already employed and have been paid on time and not asked to fork out £160, quite obviously there isn't anything suspicious about your employer sending you to a hotel for training.

You're making assumptions about what work consists of and what sort of accommodation a business will have.

My perfectly reasonable assumption is that if the employer doesn't have a workplace to interview you in, then there's no workplace for you to have a job in either.

There is no risk of anyone reading this post and thinking "wow, this extremely large and expensive event with hundreds of people milling around must be a scam to take £180 off me" or "wow, I thought I was being recruited to be CEO of a multinational company but it must be a scam to take £180 off me" so there is no reason to get bogged down in the exceptions.

AndyPix

Mar1234 wrote: »

But how can they be a scam they have their own website?

Naivety like that is what keeps food on their tables

Mar1234

can someone please VERIFY this is DEFINITELY 100% a scam?

i got a call today from their head of HR reading me my contract terms and if i accept or not, so i could meet up for the signing? so i said ill think about it and call him tomorrow to confirm!

should i call tomorrow and say id like to pay the 180£ ISO programme training fee when i start?

also someone pls verify if the £180 was for the ISO9001 programme certification? if that matches for the Admin/office assistant position that means they are a scam and im going to the police..

M.
Manchester

Mar1234

he also said i can pay the 180£ to the company that deals with the ISO directly, it is actually 320£ but paying them results in a discount, then show them the receipt; then ill get hired!

so why is it wrong for someone to be asking for a training fee before we start work?


this is the first time this @£!!! i!!!@£$% is happening and i dont know what to do

isplumm

Mar1234 wrote: »

he also said i can pay the 180£ to the company that deals with the ISO directly, it is actually 320£ but paying them results in a discount, then show them the receipt; then ill get hired!

so why is it wrong for someone to be asking for a training fee before we start work?


this is the first time this @£!!! i!!!@£$% is happening and i dont know what to do

how many times do you need to be told - it is a scam - not matter who you pay the £180 to you, you will never see the money again!!!

So keep your money in your pocket!

Mark

Mar1234

im just asking Mark!

So theres no job in the first place? why dont we go to the police again?

scd3scd4

Mar1234 wrote: »

can someone please VERIFY this is DEFINITELY 100% a scam?

i got a call today from their head of HR reading me my contract terms and if i accept or not, so i could meet up for the signing? so i said ill think about it and call him tomorrow to confirm!

should i call tomorrow and say id like to pay the 180£ ISO programme training fee when i start?

also someone pls verify if the £180 was for the ISO9001 programme certification? if that matches for the Admin/office assistant position that means they are a scam and im going to the police..

M.
Manchester

He can say he is the head of anything?? Like I can say I am an African Prince.


What contract?........you want me to read you something over the phone?


We confirm you will get scammed...............now what do you want to do?

scd3scd4

Nebulous2 wrote: »

Rubbish. I worked for a care company with over 2000 employees. Services were dispersed, supporting people in their own homes. Offices were generally small, with a couple of managers / team leaders and maybe an admin worker.

When we won a new contract we used hotels widely. An open event in the morning, with service users and family members, question and answer sessions- followed by 5-6 hours of individual interviews. We also used hotels regularly for staff training.

You're making assumptions about what work consists of and what sort of accommodation a business will have.

Did you charge £180 for training or phones?...........if not then they are not the same are they?