New MOT test May 2018

Marvel1

Yesterday on a set of traffic lights, it was red, car opposite side of road also red lights.

I think they had HID lights or full beam cause christ it was blinding!

molley

There's a story been going around for a few weeks assisted by one of the tabloids that if you put your car in for a test and it fails that failure wipes out any time left on the current MOT Certificate . There has been nothing posted to substantiate this ...even petrolprices.com got in on the act .
Today I booked my car in to my usual MOT garage and it has a month to go and the guy came away with the same story ..if a car fails it will supersede the current MOT ...I said surely that depends on the nature of the fail and he insisted he was right and I said I thought this story had been discredited .
When I got home I called DVSA,initially spoke to someone who had a similar tale from the garage who tested his wifes car but he put me through to a DVSA Test Manager who was well aware of the story doing the rounds and how garages have interpreted the changes and from his irritated voice he seemed to have been having to fend off a lot of enquiries ..when I asked what was being done about it he said the DVSA Press Office was going to issue a Press Release to both MEDIA and TESTING STATIONS to get things clarified .
Doesn't seem to have been any changes in respect of the Overlap between validity of the old MOT and new one . If the car is unroadworthy it's unroadworthy and shouldn't be driven anyway .
Typical Gov't Dept ...can't even explain things properly .

facade

It is somebody's slip of the tongue somewhere.

A fail today invalidates the current MOT in the sense of the vehicle is currently unroadworthy and waving the current MOT doesn't change it. (more like a failure today trumps a current MOT I suppose)

It doesn't cancel/terminate the current MOT, so you can't be prosecuted for not having a current MOT (which is a simple fine of upto £1000), but you can be prosecuted for driving an unroadworthy vehicle (points plus a fine of upto £2500), but you always could be, the difference is now there is documentation of a dangerous fail, so you can't plead that you didn't know.

Fixing the failure point will obviously make the car roadworthy on that particular point.

molley

facade wrote: »

It is somebody's slip of the tongue somewhere.

A fail today invalidates the current MOT in the sense of the vehicle is currently unroadworthy and waving the current MOT doesn't change it. (more like a failure today trumps a current MOT I suppose)

It doesn't cancel/terminate the current MOT, so you can't be prosecuted for not having a current MOT (which is a simple fine of upto £1000), but you can be prosecuted for driving an unroadworthy vehicle (points plus a fine of upto £2500), but you always could be, the difference is now there is documentation of a dangerous fail, so you can't plead that you didn't know.

Fixing the failure point will obviously make the car roadworthy on that particular point.

A fail today does not necessarily make a vehicle unroadworthy . A car can fail on a number plate lamp out but that doesn't make it unroadworthy and neither will it after 20th May ...What the garage I went to is saying that ANY fail means you can't rely on the current MOT and that is clearly wrong . You know it ,I know it, DVSA know it so hopefully it gets sorted out before the changeover date once DVSA gets it's finger out and gets the message across.

maisie_cat

I must admit the EML bothered me, I've only owned 2 cars since 1998 and both have had long periods of the EML on. When my current car was new it went into the dealership when the light came on, eventually they told me it was a common thing with no particular cause. I've just had a service and the "faults" cleared, not one of the "faults" was a real fault. My 14 year old car has a new MOT and is in good nick with 62000 miles but I suspect next year will fail if the EML comes on again.

facade

molley wrote: »

A car can fail on a number plate lamp out but that doesn't make it unroadworthy and neither will it after 20th May ...

Actually, one number plate lamp out from two = minor fail.
All number plate lamps out = major fail, which would make it unroadworthy.

molley

facade wrote: »

Actually, one number plate lamp out from two = minor fail.
All number plate lamps out = major fail, which would make it unroadworthy.

So if ,in your opinion ,it is regarded as MAJOR and therefore ,unroadworthy,why does it not suggest not driving it until it has been repaired same as it does for a DANGEROUS fail.?

Dangerous
A direct and immediate risk to road safety or has a serious impact on the environment.

Do not drive the vehicle until it’s been repaired.
Fail

Major
It may affect the vehicle’s safety, put other road users at risk or have an impact on the environment.

Repair it immediately.
Fail

Noree

molley wrote: »

So if ,in your opinion ,it is regarded as MAJOR and therefore ,unroadworthy,why does it not suggest not driving it until it has been repaired same as it does for a DANGEROUS fail.?

Dangerous
A direct and immediate risk to road safety or has a serious impact on the environment.

Do not drive the vehicle until it’s been repaired.
Fail

Major
It may affect the vehicle’s safety, put other road users at risk or have an impact on the environment.

Repair it immediately.
Fail

It’s not Facade’s opinion Molly, it’s what the manual states. The tester has to go by the manual which says it’s a major if the criteria has been met. Same for Minor defects (still a pass) and Dangerous (fail).

markudman

The legal requirements
For a vehicle to be driven on Great Britain’s roads there are 2 main legal safety requirements for the vehicle. It must be roadworthy and for most vehicles of a certain age, it must have a valid MOT. Whilst they're connected, they're not the same thing, and they both have to be met independently.

So, even if a vehicle is roadworthy, it may not necessarily have an MOT (it isn’t automatic – it needs to go to a garage and get one!). And similarly, just because a vehicle has an MOT, it doesn’t automatically mean it’s roadworthy. It may have a defect that has come about after the MOT.

I'd like to remind you that this won't be changing on 20 May 2018, vehicles will still need to meet these 2 requirements.

‘Major’ and ‘dangerous’ defects
Currently, a vehicle will either pass or fail its MOT. Testers can then mark defects they believe are dangerous, and make the vehicle owner aware.

From 20 May, the implementation of the new directive will pre-define what is considered as ‘dangerous’. Defects that are failure items but aren’t deemed as ‘dangerous’ will be called ‘major’ defects.

So, after 20 May, defects that are dangerous will be set out for you, and the new ‘major’ term introduced for all other failures.

What ‘dangerous’ defects will mean for motorists
Moving to pre-defined dangerous defects will bring consistency to what is recorded as dangerous. So, we’ve taken the opportunity to make the wording on the MOT failure documents clear in reminding motorists that driving a dangerous vehicle is illegal.

While the majority of your customers would never drive a dangerous vehicle until it’s made safe, we know not everyone will behave responsibly. And, while it isn’t your responsibility to try and physically stop them from driving the vehicle, it’s important you provide them with clear advice that they do have dangerous defects.

This all applies whether the vehicle has a current MOT or not. A dangerous vehicle should never be driven on the road.

An early MOT will still be sensible
Some people have interpreted the changes to mean that a vehicle shouldn’t be brought in for an MOT early. This isn’t true.

We’ll still encourage motorists to not leave their MOT until expiry, as leaving it late increases the risk of the vehicle being used without an MOT or being unroadworthy.

'Minor' defects and advisories
The other new category from 20 May is ‘minor’. This is where there’s a defect on the vehicle – but it isn’t serious enough for the vehicle to fail. Like the major and dangerous defects, they are also pre-defined for you.

And, like the current MOT test, we'll still have advisories. These are very similar to minor defects but rather than a component already being defective, they indicate a component will become defective soon.

Recording defects
We’ve also made changes to the online MOT testing service to try and make it simple for garages to record the new defect types after 20 May.

For most defect areas (for example tyre tread depth) the defect is considered as only one level of severity (major or dangerous). The tester will just pick that the defect is present, and the MOT testing service will automatically include the level (major or dangerous) in the result.

However, for some defect areas (for example, hydraulic brake fluid leaks) there might be defects at more than one level, based on the severity of the defect. Where that’s the case, the wording of the defect describes the difference between major or dangerous.

You should assess which set of words the defect on the vehicle best matches. Then, the MOT testing service will automatically include the level (major or dangerous) in the result.

molley

markudman wrote: »

The legal requirements
For a vehicle to be driven on Great Britain’s roads there are 2 main legal safety requirements for the vehicle. It must be roadworthy and for most vehicles of a certain age, it must have a valid MOT. Whilst they're connected, they're not the same thing, and they both have to be met independently.

So, even if a vehicle is roadworthy, it may not necessarily have an MOT (it isn’t automatic – it needs to go to a garage and get one!). And similarly, just because a vehicle has an MOT, it doesn’t automatically mean it’s roadworthy. It may have a defect that has come about after the MOT.

I'd like to remind you that this won't be changing on 20 May 2018, vehicles will still need to meet these 2 requirements.

‘Major’ and ‘dangerous’ defects
Currently, a vehicle will either pass or fail its MOT. Testers can then mark defects they believe are dangerous, and make the vehicle owner aware.

From 20 May, the implementation of the new directive will pre-define what is considered as ‘dangerous’. Defects that are failure items but aren’t deemed as ‘dangerous’ will be called ‘major’ defects.

So, after 20 May, defects that are dangerous will be set out for you, and the new ‘major’ term introduced for all other failures.

What ‘dangerous’ defects will mean for motorists
Moving to pre-defined dangerous defects will bring consistency to what is recorded as dangerous. So, we’ve taken the opportunity to make the wording on the MOT failure documents clear in reminding motorists that driving a dangerous vehicle is illegal.

While the majority of your customers would never drive a dangerous vehicle until it’s made safe, we know not everyone will behave responsibly. And, while it isn’t your responsibility to try and physically stop them from driving the vehicle, it’s important you provide them with clear advice that they do have dangerous defects.

This all applies whether the vehicle has a current MOT or not. A dangerous vehicle should never be driven on the road.

An early MOT will still be sensible
Some people have interpreted the changes to mean that a vehicle shouldn’t be brought in for an MOT early. This isn’t true.

We’ll still encourage motorists to not leave their MOT until expiry, as leaving it late increases the risk of the vehicle being used without an MOT or being unroadworthy.

'Minor' defects and advisories
The other new category from 20 May is ‘minor’. This is where there’s a defect on the vehicle – but it isn’t serious enough for the vehicle to fail. Like the major and dangerous defects, they are also pre-defined for you.

And, like the current MOT test, we'll still have advisories. These are very similar to minor defects but rather than a component already being defective, they indicate a component will become defective soon.

Recording defects
We’ve also made changes to the online MOT testing service to try and make it simple for garages to record the new defect types after 20 May.

For most defect areas (for example tyre tread depth) the defect is considered as only one level of severity (major or dangerous). The tester will just pick that the defect is present, and the MOT testing service will automatically include the level (major or dangerous) in the result.

However, for some defect areas (for example, hydraulic brake fluid leaks) there might be defects at more than one level, based on the severity of the defect. Where that’s the case, the wording of the defect describes the difference between major or dangerous.

You should assess which set of words the defect on the vehicle best matches. Then, the MOT testing service will automatically include the level (major or dangerous) in the result.

Where is the above from ?..is this from the Press Release that I referred to in one of my earlier posts ..
What you and Noree say makes sense and I agree with your comments but my point is being missed about garages ,including the one I visited a couple of days ago ,giving out incorrect information about the effect a fail will have on the remaining period of the old MOT .In that respect that does not change from how things are at present The garage I visited even ignored the fact that my MOT is booked on for 26th APRIL when these changes don't take effect until almost a month later . This was all started by that rag the Daily Mail .