Smart Meters

bri160356

Houbara wrote: »

You lost me when you started going on about ridiculous EMF waves upsetting the brain. Have you been watching "Better Call Saul " ? ( the prequel to Breaking Bad ) whos brother the top lawyer Chuck. elder bro of Jimmy Mcgill, was so bonkers he thought electricity was killing him. Great Netflix prog though
Its a ludicrous claim.. I thought we d heard the last of the electromagnetic sensitivity nonsense on here when it started a few years ago.
That was one of the main claims of Stop Smart Meters..co uk

You may scoff, but the danger posed by subliminal EMF waves should not be underestimated.

Subliminal EMF waves were invented by Russian military scientists during the Cold War as part of their global mind-control programme.

Huge amounts of EMF waves were generated but had to be confined to secure storage facilities as they were considered far too hazardous ever to be used. :eek:

However, President Putin has recently discovered a huge pulsating mass of military-grade subliminal EMF waves in a sealed underground Siberian vault.

According to a Kremlin insider, Putin is now directing vast quantities of these incredibly dangerous EMF waves towards the UK and he’s using them to manipulate the minds of the great British public via the gift of our Smart Meter roll-out programme;

…what a rotter! :mad:

cmotd

waamo wrote: »

Shop around for a cheaper deal. Odds are you can get one.

Did just that - went for EDF easy online then checked the small print - compulsory smart meter!


Cancelling the switch. Why doesn't MSE cheap energy club flag this up in the comparison charts?

Nick_C

cmotd wrote: »

Why doesn't MSE cheap energy club flag this up in the comparison charts?

Because the comparison charts are about finding the cheapest deals.

The cheapest deals usually involve complying with certain conditions that reduce costs for the supplier, such as paying by monthly DD and managing your account online.

You can live in the past, but don't expect the best deals.

matelodave

cmotd wrote: »

Did just that - went for EDF easy online then checked the small print - compulsory smart meter!


Cancelling the switch. Why doesn't MSE cheap energy club flag this up in the comparison charts?

You shoul always check the small print (T&C's) to ensure that you know what you are signing up to.

As Nick_C says, you'll soon not be able to get a decent tariff unless you agree to a smart meter because it will cost them more to administer your account.

bri160356

cmotd wrote: »

Did just that - went for EDF easy online then checked the small print - compulsory smart meter!


Cancelling the switch. Why doesn't MSE cheap energy club flag this up in the comparison charts?

It’s probably best to use the comparison sites as a general guide rather than a definitive tool, IMHO.

There are often discrepancies between the various comparison sites, even when listing the ‘same’ tariff.

When making a decision to switch you should always use the info which appears on the Energy suppliers own website, not the info that appears on the comparison sites.

PixelPound

I had an email from my provider saying they are installing meters in my area, strange I'm with a fairly small provider, could they have the workforce for that. Nope it's another company who are installing meters for different companies.

thereallyniceman

I am only a thick Lancastrian, but I have read hundreds of posts about Smart Meters and feel that nobody has worked out what is really going on:

1) The Government is pushing for 100% electric cars by 2040.

2) 62% of the price of petrol/ diesel is tax taken for the Government.

3) Electric cars re-charged on home electricity meters are not charged that 62% .... Massive loss in tax take.

4) Everyone is being pushed to have a Smart Meter that can monitor peak demand and monitor devices in use. Old meters can not monitor individual usage.

5) Eventually it will be compulsory to have a Smart Meter.

6) Voila.. Tax can be levied on the electricity used for recharging electric vehicles at home. Simple!

zeupater

thereallyniceman wrote: »

I am only a thick Lancastrian, but I have read hundreds of posts about Smart Meters and feel that nobody has worked out what is really going on:

1) The Government is pushing for 100% electric cars by 2040.

2) 62% of the price of petrol/ diesel is tax taken for the Government.

3) Electric cars re-charged on home electricity meters are not charged that 62% .... Massive loss in tax take.

4) Everyone is being pushed to have a Smart Meter that can monitor peak demand and monitor devices in use. Old meters can not monitor individual usage.

5) Eventually it will be compulsory to have a Smart Meter.

6) Voila.. Tax can be levied on the electricity used for recharging electric vehicles at home. Simple!

Hi

The only issue with the above is that the smart-meter technology isn't really smart enough to do that and the current SMETS standards don't even cover the eventuality .... yes, there is the potential to send load-shedding commands to switch off nominated high load items at peak periods if someone invests in additional equipment, but that's about it ...

Regarding EV smart-charging & using vehicle batteries as a V2G resource, well that's the subject of a completely different set of communication, control & automation standards which are currently being bounced around by the energy & automotive industries ... for background see this recent publication by Energy-UK ... https://www.energy-uk.org.uk/publication.html?task=file.download&id=6576 ...

For smart-meters to be a useful resource to consumers both the standards & equipment would need to have been designed to be the central component of a household energy management system with communication standards to allow householders to control appliances & automate loads ... this is the only way that the equipment would be able to achieve any of the claimed cost-savings that we so often see the industry use ...

As it stands, the smart-meter project has been overtaken by events. The adoption of 1990s technology designed to automate meter reading and the ability to reduce peak-demand by switching off nominated high-load equipment (as used in some remote areas & islands for years) does not fit the distributed generation & storage model that the energy system is moving towards, yet it's really hard for most (including the energy sector & government) to think beyond the centralised generation model that we've been used to for so long ....

HTH
Z

bri160356

thereallyniceman wrote: »

I am only a thick Lancastrian, but I have read hundreds of posts about Smart Meters and feel that nobody has worked out what is really going on:

1) The Government is pushing for 100% electric cars by 2040.

2) 62% of the price of petrol/ diesel is tax taken for the Government.

3) Electric cars re-charged on home electricity meters are not charged that 62% .... Massive loss in tax take.

4) Everyone is being pushed to have a Smart Meter that can monitor peak demand and monitor devices in use. Old meters can not monitor individual usage.

5) Eventually it will be compulsory to have a Smart Meter.

6) Voila.. Tax can be levied on the electricity used for recharging electric vehicles at home. Simple!

More than 65% of the cost of our diesel and petrol at the pumps goes directly into Her Majesty’s coffers and it currently raises around £28Bn per year.

It’s made up of Fuel tax @ 57.95p per litre, plus an element of VAT @ 20% .

Electricity is subject to just 5% VAT;…which means the owners of electric-cars are nothing more than dirty rotten tax dodgers!

String em’ up I say. :mad:

cmotd

Nick_C wrote: »

Because the comparison charts are about finding the cheapest deals.

The cheapest deals usually involve complying with certain conditions that reduce costs for the supplier, such as paying by monthly DD and managing your account online.

You can live in the past, but don't expect the best deals.

True, but most firms show these sort of conditions upfront and don't hide them in the small print like EDF.


I can assure you that I live very firmly in the present, My house is completely lit by LEDs on dimmer switches and I suggest you read the Telegraph article HERE about the effect they have on smart meters. The industry has denied that UK meters are affected in this way but I don't believe them.


I will happily have one once that is fixed and the meter won't go dumb when I switch suppliers.



Martin Lewis himself has described the roll out of smart meters as "cockup and chaos" so why is MSE actively promoting tariffs where they are compulsory?