Smart Meters

zeupater

jcontest wrote: »

... Overall they are a good direction we should be moving towards, sadly the UK Gov decided it would be more about brown-envelope negotiations and consumers who wouldn't benefit.

Hi

The main issue is that the government got too deeply involved & our Civil Service pushed them there ... they should simply facilitated the establishment of the DCC, ensured that suitable standards were in place & left the industry to get on with replacing meters with smart-meters according to their own rolling plan (with some additional targetting to assist the highest users!), that way there'd be no significant additional cost apart from the DCC element which the industry could offset & amortise against reduced administration ...

It's not rocket science & it doesn't take rocket scientists, but it absolutely exposes the failings of the Civil Service in misguiding government strategy & running yet another project into the ground through inept project control and not understanding something so basic .... heads should roll, but they won't, they'll be promoted because they've ticked another box on their career 'learning curve' ...

HTH
Z

daveyjp

BBC Breakfast covering it this morning. Lots of complaints about the system not being fit for purpose, especially on switching.

They policy director for this mess was on and I'm afraid he came across as someone who agreed with what was being said, but as his mortgage depended on him disagreeing he had to be rather economical with the truth.

Asked a question: should there be a three year delay of roll out deadline? Responded with a pre prepared statement about how wonderful this system was and how many millions of pounds it will save us and how life changing it had been for so many people (!).

He stated the problem with loss of communication on switching provider only applies to 7% of users. That figure means nothing, but as usual with BBC the figure wasn't challenged.

Nice try, but you failed in convincing me.

buglawton

zeupater wrote: »

Hi

The main issue is that the government got too deeply involved & our Civil Service pushed them there ... they should simply facilitated the establishment of the DCC, ensured that suitable standards were in place & left the industry to get on with replacing meters with smart-meters according to their own rolling plan (with some additional targetting to assist the highest users!), that way there'd be no significant additional cost apart from the DCC element which the industry could offset & amortise against reduced administration ...

It's not rocket science & it doesn't take rocket scientists, but it absolutely exposes the failings of the Civil Service in misguiding government strategy & running yet another project into the ground through inept project control and not understanding something so basic .... heads should roll, but they won't, they'll be promoted because they've ticked another box on their career 'learning curve' ...

HTH
Z

The Telegraph had an article comparing the reasonably successful regional Italian rollout. Big difference was that it was the grid provider that did the project. Here in the UK against best advice the individual suppliers were handed it. The article concluded that this was just one of an endless series of UK infrastructure blunders and put the root cause as being ideological first-past-the-post elected British governments that refuse to listen to their own select committees.

And just to add: There was a book written to catalogue these blunders and already by 2010 the estimated waste, paid for by the taxpayer, was around £100Bn.

The Blunders of our Governments
(why the British political system is so prone to appalling mistakes)
http://amzn.eu/6aaLp7F

cmotd

Eon is getting desperate. Had an email from them saying 'they needed to change my meter' to a smart one and to ring them if I didn't want one. Ignored it so they phoned me two days later and tried to 'encourage' me to have one. I told them I would have one when the smets2 version was available and that they could prove that led lights wouldn't give false readings up to six times too high (see Daily Telegraph article from last March).
Today I had another email about my fixed tariff which ends soon and offering their best tariff which - Surprise! Surprise! - is only available if you agree to have a smart meter. Compulsion by the back door? Is this legal?

waamo

cmotd wrote: »

Eon is getting desperate. Had an email from them saying 'they needed to change my meter' to a smart one and to ring them if I didn't want one. Ignored it so they phoned me two days later and tried to 'encourage' me to have one. I told them I would have one when the smets2 version was available and that they could prove that led lights wouldn't give false readings up to six times too high (see Daily Telegraph article from last March).
Today I had another email about my fixed tariff which ends soon and offering their best tariff which - Surprise! Surprise! - is only available if you agree to have a smart meter. Compulsion by the back door? Is this legal?

Shop around for a cheaper deal. Odds are you can get one.

Nick_C

cmotd wrote: »

Is this legal?

Yes.......

[Deleted User]

Fluffy2 wrote: »

Hi all,
I would implore you not to get a smart meter. The hype and advertising around them is to get rid off an ineffective product with all sorts far featched claims of how it will save you money. Instead of installing one, you can work out what each appliance is costing you by a mathematical equation based on its watts etc.

Smart meters use EMF waves which are on the same level as normal brain waves. Therefore they can interfere with sleep and mental wellbeing. The effects can be subtle or some people can experience more distressing symptoms. They can cause insomnia anxiety, low mood and irritability. It can also cause you to feel extremely unwell. They have been shown to interfere with implanted electrical devices such as cochlear implants and deep brain stimulation, such as being developed to treat parkinsons disease. Those especially at risk are those with autoimmune disease e.g. M.E. fibromyalgia, cancers, some arthritis, chrohn's disease etc. Please do a search on EMF and smart meters and harmful effects.

The more people that have them the greater density of the EMF smog created. This is invisible, it means that between every millisecond and up to every 2 seconds 24 hrs a day these waves pass through your body and have an effect on your nervous system and brain waves.

I know that some people also object to their privacy invasion. This is because, potentially, any organisation that has access to the data transmitted can tell on aggregated interpretation how many people are in the property, what times the property is empty etc, building up an accurate pattern of routine and movement. Whilst this is genuinely concerning I am more focused on the health risks.

You lost me when you started going on about ridiculous EMF waves upsetting the brain. Have you been watching "Better Call Saul " ? ( the prequel to Breaking Bad ) whos brother the top lawyer Chuck. elder bro of Jimmy Mcgill, was so bonkers he thought electricity was killing him. Great Netflix prog though
Its a ludicrous claim.. I thought we d heard the last of the electromagnetic sensitivity nonsense on here when it started a few years ago.
That was one of the main claims of Stop Smart Meters..co uk

molerat

Houbara wrote: »

you lost me when you started going on about ridiculous EMF waves upsetting the brain. Have you been watching "Better Call Saul " whos brother Chuck was so bonkers he thought electricity was killing him. Great Netflix prog though
Ludicrous.. I thought we d heard the last of the electromagnetic sensitivity nonsense on here.
That was one of the main claims of Stop Smart Meters..co uk

I won't have one because it might fry my brain, now to contact my supplier to tell them - should I call them on my mobile or send an e-mail over my wi-fi

matelodave

molerat wrote: »

I won't have one because it might fry my brain, now to contact my supplier to tell them - should I call them on my mobile or send an e-mail over my wi-fi

You could send them a text, which might save your brain a bit but please don't put your mobile into your pockets - you just don't know what havoc is being created down there.

waamo

molerat wrote: »

I won't have one because it might fry my brain, now to contact my supplier to tell them - should I call them on my mobile or send an e-mail over my wi-fi

Quill, parchment and penny black. It's the future I tell you.

Although I did hear a rumour that the glue in a penny black was invented by a government scientist who was also experimenting with thought control.