Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

gfplux

ilovehouses wrote: »

Whilst you'll keep happily bashing the EU if they do and if they don't not a single person here is saying the EU is always perfect and the UK always flawed.

Just for the record I do not think the EU is perfect.
BUT
I like it.
I do not think Britain is perfect.
BUT
I like it.

iro

'ilovehouses' you seem to be avoiding my question?

Do you agree with AC Grayling?

'A bad deal is the best deal to force the UK (ON ITS KNEES!) back into the EU'

If you want a bad deal to force the UK back in the EU then there is no point debating any of the issues because you are ranking membership of the EU above the national interest.

mayonnaise

vivatifosi wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/european-businesses-advised-to-avoid-using-british-parts-ahead-of-brexit-11395908


Interesting...

It does make sense under the 'rules of origin' regulations.
Brextremists will paint it as the EU punishing the UK of course.

On a positive note, those British parts manufacturers losing out on EU trade could find alternative markets in the Commonwealth with economic powerhouses like Botswana or Papua New Guinea.

iro

mayonnaise wrote: »

It does make sense under the 'rules of origin' regulations.
Brextremists will paint it as the EU punishing the UK of course.

On a positive note, those British parts manufactures losing out on EU trade could find alternative markets in the Commonwealth with economic powerhouses like Botswana or Papua New Guinea.

This seems an AC Grayling line of argument, 'mayo' do you agree with AC Grayling?

iro

For the record not a single apparent remain poster has responded to my question.

It appears to me that the mainstream view amongst many of those who want to overturn the referendum is 'screw the UK to ensure that it will always be a slave to a foreign, fascistic superstate'.

If it is not the mainstream view please feel free to correct me.

Arklight

Ballard wrote: »

How many times does it have to be repeated that the German carmakers themselves have said they they aren’t interested in a special deal with the UK? These are the very people who stand to lose most. Perhaps it’s all a big bluff and they will eventually press for something but it’s not looking likely at this point.

It isn't up to them anyway. The German government, along with every other European nation's government, has stated clearly the Brexit negotiations will be handled by the EU.

The EU isn't going to provide the UK with special access because it would mean the end of the EU.

There will be no individual negotiating with the German auto industry or Spanish tomato growers or anyone else. We only have the EU to deal with and the EU is more interested in preserving itself than it is in a single digit blip to some of the economies in the Eurozone.

According to Brexit heads the EU should have collapsed like a house of cards by now.

Maybe next week.

Graham_Devon

Ballard wrote: »

How many times does it have to be repeated that the German carmakers themselves have said they they aren’t interested in a special deal with the UK? These are the very people who stand to lose most. Perhaps it’s all a big bluff and they will eventually press for something but it’s not looking likely at this point.

How many times have we had big business threaten something? Including car manufacturers, who have turned around and done the exact opposite of their threat since the vote to leave? (Nissan and Vauxhall spring to mind, investing here after the vote, which is something they stated before the vote, categorically, they would not do).

The banks all threatened to leave if the result of the vote was to leave the EU. Barclays and HSBC are prominent in my mind, can even remember the statement. Have they done anything? Apart from state some of their staff have moved elsewhere (which has always happened regardless of our vote), nothing has changed.

I think if anything, we can absolutely and categorically state that a lot of the fear and bluster was just that. More of the same really doesn't wash anymore.

Graham_Devon

iro wrote: »

For the record not a single apparent remain poster has responded to my question.

It appears to me that the mainstream view amongst many of those who want to overturn the referendum is 'screw the UK to ensure that it will always be a slave to a foreign, fascistic superstate'.

If it is not the mainstream view please feel free to correct me.

Always the same. No one commented on my VW post either, showing just how far VW will go for trade outside the EU and how customers are better off.

It smacks of reality being far too inconvenient.

We seem to be concentrated on the next story of what a business threatens, rather than what business actually does, and is doing to trade with countries outside of the EU.

iro

'On Tuesday Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte (pictured right) addressed the Senate and said he would tackle social hardship through a universal income.'


From the BBC

Oh dear this is going to be fun watching the Eurozone cope with the Italian magic money tree.

Euro is a joke currency, if Italy get way with this then the Greeks, Spanish will want to do it.

The failure of the Euro will occur when sensible countries like Finland have had enough and then they can leave the Germans to pay the bills (which given the amount of mayhem their country has caused in recent time and the past seems Karma).

iro

ilovehouses wrote: »

Your perspective is skewed.



In the real world the government will have implemented the 'will of the people' if/ when we leave in a few short months time. Everything else is UK politics and dogma.

I'm not in the slightest bit interested in Grayling (never heard of him) or his fantasy scenarios. Same with the silliness of being offered the choice of getting a terrible deal so we're forced to stay in the EU - like they're the only two choices.

Bashing the EU because of an imaginary future where the EU are very tough and uncompromising is putting the cart before the horse. As of today the UK government don't know what they want so there's nothing to be tough and uncompromising about.

Do you agree that AC Grayling's intervention is unhelpful to the UK?

To be fair to Verhofstadt he avoided answering the question by suggesting he was a Eurosceptic!