Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

iro

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/06/brexit-keir-starmer-says-labour-divided-norway-style-deal-amendment

Labour MPs representing Leave constituencies are getting twitchy.

This always happens when there is a recess in Parliament, they go back 'up north' and get an earful.

Brexit will happen with the support of these Labour MPs.

When Soubry et al realise they are not going to win they will start to just abstain.

Happy days!

vivatifosi

I don't know if anyone else is watching the Channel 5 series following British MEPs in the run up to Brexit, but Verhostadt comes across as an interesting character. An Anglophile who doesn't hate the UK at all (though he clearly doesn't agree with our leaving).

He doesn't think the EU is perfect but believes in changing it from the inside.

It's worth watching if anyone is interested. Episode 3 is on tonight. Episode 1 and 2 are on catch up. Different episodes focus on different parties.

vivatifosi

iro wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/06/brexit-keir-starmer-says-labour-divided-norway-style-deal-amendment

Labour MPs representing Leave constituencies are getting twitchy.

This always happens when there is a recess in Parliament, they go back 'up north' and get an earful.

Brexit will happen with the support of these Labour MPs.

When Soubry et al realise they are not going to win they will start to just abstain.

Happy days!

A Norway style deal is still leaving though, and therefore fulfills the will of the people. All we were asked was whether or not we wanted to leave the EU. Nothing about the Customs Union.

Pro remain MPs will come round as it is a reasonable compromise. Eventually...

iro

vivatifosi wrote: »

A Norway style deal is still leaving though, and therefore fulfills the will of the people. All we were asked was whether or not we wanted to leave the EU. Nothing about the Customs Union.

Corbyn rejects the Norway deal, try to keep up!

iro

AC Grayling is just being honest about the remainiac mindset I guess, it is the unconvenient truth behind a lot of the criticism of Brexit on here.

They cannot allow Brexit to be a success!

vivatifosi

iro wrote: »

Corbyn rejects the Norway deal, try to keep up!

As do pro remain MPs. But it is a compromise position, which is why we will end up with it, or something like it. As I said, eventually.

At the moment we have an unholy mess. At some point we will need to coalesce towards an agreement, and the middle ground is more likely to be that point.

mayonnaise

vivatifosi wrote: »

As do pro remain MPs. But it is a compromise position, which is why we will end up with it, or something like it. As I said, eventually.

At the moment we have an unholy mess. At some point we will need to coalesce towards an agreement, and the middle ground is more likely to be that point.

Agreed.
As someone once said, we'll move from being a member with lots of opt-outs to being a non-member with lots of opt-ins with not much actually changing, apart from being a rule taker instead of a rule maker.

Filo25

iro wrote: »

For the record not a single apparent remain poster has responded to my question.

It appears to me that the mainstream view amongst many of those who want to overturn the referendum is 'screw the UK to ensure that it will always be a slave to a foreign, fascistic superstate'.

If it is not the mainstream view please feel free to correct me.

Sorry I usually switch off when I see "fascistic superstate" in a question, still I'm sure it goes down well on the Daily Mail comments section.

iro

Filo25 wrote: »

Sorry I usually switch off when I see "fascistic superstate" in a question, still I'm sure it goes down well on the Daily Mail comments section.

Happy in your own echochamber?

Herzlos

I can't quote on phone now, iro. Grayling is right with that quote; a bad deal will push us back into the EU. But that's a long way separated from wanting a bad deal to get us back into the EU.

Most of the remainers on here want to get a good deal, because we're not sociopaths. However we acknowledge that were8throwing away the best deal, and look like we're going to get a bad deal because Mays red lines and DUP ties are incompatible with anything anyone can regard as a good deal.