Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

mayonnaise

gfplux wrote: »

Politico have news of a new customs plan from David Davis.
It is called Max Fac 2, frankly you couldnt make this madness up.

It's getting rather farcical now. A 10-mile buffer zone! :rotfl:

iro

Moby wrote: »

The whiff of gammon proves my point!

Is Juncker a 'gammon'?

Moby

iro wrote: »

Is Juncker a 'gammon'?

Don't know iro....has he been on Question Time?
(Noun/mass noun): A term used to describe a particular type of Brexit-voting, middle-aged white male, whose meat-faced complexion suggests they are perilously close to a stroke.

The term 'gammon' is linked to the unhealthy pink skin tone of such stout yeomen, probably because of high blood pressure caused by decades of 'PC gone mad', being defeated in arguments about the non-existent merits of Brexit and women getting the vote.

Gammon often make their appearance on BBC's Question Time jabbing their porcine fingers at the camera while demanding immediate nuclear strikes against Remain-voting areas, people who eat vegetables and/or cyclists.

When gammon appears en masse it is often referred to as a "wall of gammon".
Did you see Question Time last night? It was absolutely rammed with gammon.

Some random gammon started posting "Ingland 4 the Inglish! granit brexit now"

gfplux

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

We do hold all the cards, logically. However there is too many idiots in the eu upper reaches that have decided that they want to make sure we sink without a trace when we leave.

And the German car manufacturers will suffer through Brexit.

Quite honestly, if a neighbour wishes to move from the neighbourhood and we have a mutually agreeable friendship I prefer to help them move and stay friends rather than going off in a sulk and saying I will never ever speak to them again.

And tell me please, if that neighbour had twice sparked world wars by trying to invade other countries, and then a few years later had stated that they would not invade if you handed them the front door keys and let them run your economy into the ground to ensure that their economy prospered, would you really hand them the keys?

It has taken the Germans only 70 years to do peaceably that which they tried to do by waging war. And they have the cheek to say the eu is keeping the peace when it is actually the UN doing that.

How silly to hold all the cards but let idiots take them off you.
Just keep a tighter hold of your winning hand.

Unless it is not true that the EU needs Britain more than Britain needs the EU. Surely not.

How can you still hang on to this absurd idea that Britain has the strongest hand but naughty people in the EU will not let you play your best cards.

It all sounds like a silly child crying in the playground.

iro

Moby wrote: »

The gammons, gangstas and right wing nationalists will always be with us looking for an excuse to blame others for their lot in life, its usually the immigrants. Attacking the EU 'institution' instead provided the veneer of respectability to their beef. Nigel Farages political 'career' was based on pressing their buttons. Now we are left with the legacy while Farage having done his damage walks off the stage and leaves the consequences of his actions to people like May, who doesn't believe in any of it and is left to cobble together some sort of compromise. UKIP had nothing to offer but the politics of hate of immigrants and envy of Germany via the EU. A party that had real values, good values would have lasted and offered policies in relation to the economy, health, education etc. Yes I think there are some pretty thick people around who couldn't see beyond their prejudice and who are now going to be left high and dry. I see that arch Brexiteer, Lord Lawson has applied for a French residency card, he clearly knows where his interests lie!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/31/brexiter-nigel-lawson-applies-french-residency-vote-leave

Are you referring to all the 17.4 million that voted to leave?

Can you be a gammon and a gansta and nationalist all at the same time?

Is this a reaction to the knowledge that Brexit will happen?

Here is something for you to think about

https://howmanydaystill.com/its/brexit-6

How is that whole 'lets start being nice to leave voters (and stop using pejorative terms about them) so that we can persuade them of the folly of their ways so we get them to vote remain in the 'second' referendum going?

Or is it that 'true' remainaics wll never, ever forgive leave voters?

gfplux

Now the big playground bully Donald Trump has just taken a big toy from Theresa May. Did Britain not tell Trump that we had a strong hand.

From Bloomberg the Brexiters favourite, today

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One of the noteworthy features of Prime Minister Theresa Mays foreign-policy strategy has been her determination to get close to Donald Trump. There not natural allies on a personal level: The cautious, reserved British prime minister has far more in common with, say, Angela Merkel. As Tim Ross reported earlier this year, May struggles to get a word in during her conversations with Trump.

But whenever Mays aides were asked about the domestic political cost of inviting Trump for a state visit to Britain, or declining to criticize him over undiplomatic comments about terror attacks on British soil, they would point to the big prize: A U.S.-U.K. trade deal.
This, they said, would help make Brexit the success that May declared it would be.
That looks a distant prospect today, after the U.S. invoked national-security rules to put tariffs on steel and aluminum from the European Union, Canada and Mexico. In response, the EU is looking at hitting American jeans, motorcycles and whiskey.

The mystery is why Mays team ever thought Trump would deliver on trade. Sure, he regularly promises a deal, but hes never hidden his skepticism about the benefits of free-trade agreements. And his reputation as a deal-maker isnt for being generous to the other side. For all that, each time Trump promised the U.K. a very, very big deal, Downing Street would react with delight. The mood there yesterday was a little more somber.

Trade Secretary Liam Fox urged against starting a trade war with the U.S. But if Britain blocked EU retaliation, that would mean deciding that siding with Trump was worth upsetting European countries during Brexit negotiations.

May will, we are told, raise the steel-tariff question with the president when she meets him at the G-7 in Canada next week. If she can get a word in.
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gfplux

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Whatever solution we come up with for NI will be refused.

The eu wish to use it to keep us in the single market, we could come up with the most perfect solution in the world, NI would agree and so would Eire, but the eu never will, they see it as a way of disrupting the so-called negotiations. Of course they are not truly negotiations, it is a case of the eu saying agree to this or else.

And don't tell me that we were warned. This has never happened before, the eu are making the rules up as they go along, and one of the rules is that they will try to ensure we will never escape their clutches. I am extremely hopeful that that particular rule of their will be soundly and totally broken.

I think even Brexit supporters, False Brexit supporters, remainers and the EU are waiting for the most perfect solution in the world but we all continue to wait.
You are trying to second guess the reaction to this perfect solution but without a perfect solution we continue to wait for the British Government to come up with a SENSIBLE solution let alone a perfect one.

gfplux

iro wrote: »

Let us hope for the young people of Europe that when we leave the EU its institutions are left in a smoking ruin.

I suspect that the young people of Europe, if they think about Brexit will only feel sorry for the young people of Britain.

iro

gfplux wrote: »

I suspect that the young people of Europe, if they think about Brexit will only feel sorry for the young people of Britain.

Given the numbers that support anti -EU parties I suspect you are wrong.

gfplux

vivatifosi wrote: »

I had ten minutes to spare so thought I'd look back to gfplux's ye older Brexit thread, back from the days pre Brexit.

If you do a search for the term "customs union" and look for posts prior to the vote, it barely gets a mention, the first person to bring it up was s/he with a brain the size of a planet... antrobus.


It certainly wasn't the big issue that it is now, even though we are repeatedly told we all knew we agreed to it.

I suspect if you continued your search of the thread pre referendum you would barely find a mention of the Good Friday Agreement, article 50, a transition agreement and probably plenty of mentions of they need us more than we need them.
Two years on, no one anticipated the interesting road that Brexit has travelled.