Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Moby

kabayiri wrote: »

Weird innit.

Whenever an EU state is doing well, it's all down to the magnificence of the mighty EU institution.

But...whenever there is a local problem, then oh it must be them thick Northern Englanders or the Italian gangsta crew or les ami du Marine.

Yeah right.

The gammons, gangstas and right wing nationalists will always be with us looking for an excuse to blame others for their lot in life, its usually the immigrants. Attacking the EU 'institution' instead provided the veneer of respectability to their beef. Nigel Farages political 'career' was based on pressing their buttons. Now we are left with the legacy while Farage having done his damage walks off the stage and leaves the consequences of his actions to people like May, who doesn't believe in any of it and is left to cobble together some sort of compromise. UKIP had nothing to offer but the politics of hate of immigrants and envy of Germany via the EU. A party that had real values, good values would have lasted and offered policies in relation to the economy, health, education etc. Yes I think there are some pretty thick people around who couldn't see beyond their prejudice and who are now going to be left high and dry. I see that arch Brexiteer, Lord Lawson has applied for a French residency card, he clearly knows where his interests lie!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/31/brexiter-nigel-lawson-applies-french-residency-vote-leave

gfplux

Rinoa wrote: »

Have you applied for Luxenbourg citizenship yet?

It is spelt Luxembourg.

gfplux

Politico have news of a new customs plan from David Davis.
It is called Max Fac 2, frankly you couldnt make this madness up.

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MAX FAC 2 David Davis has a new plan. The Suns Tom Newton-Dunn reports the Brexit secretary has drawn up a scheme for solving the Irish border conundrum, which would involve Northern Ireland having joint EU/U.K. status, right down to factories potentially running two production lines making goods to divergent regulatory standards. The plan, dubbed max fac 2,; also involves a 10-mile;buffer zone around the border to aid local traders and farmers. And remember all the talk of technological solutions? Theyre gone.

Customs partnership going nowhere: Davis is on the Cabinet working group tasked with making the governments maximum facilitation (max fac) customs proposal work, and this appears to be what hes come up with on the Northern Ireland issue. By contrast, Newton-Dunn reports, the working group looking at the other customs proposal the customs partnership is getting nowhere.

Reaction: The inevitable problem with max fac 2 is that it gives Northern Ireland a different status to the rest of the U.K. something Mays parliamentary supporters in the DUP are unlikely to countenance. It also looks, well, a bit messy. Centre for European Reform Brexit researcher Sam Lowe declared himself stumped.
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vivatifosi

Which is why I think we'll end up with an EFTA/EEA solution.

As they are saying on Sky this morning, Trump's populist stance on steel is already showing that it will be more difficult than we thought to get a deal with the US, which was a key part of our policy.

Newton-Dunn is right, that's a bonkers solution. However I still think that there could be a technical solution if the different parties were willing to compromise, which they clearly are not.

Oh well. EFTA is my preferred route anyway, but then so is not looking like total numpties on the world stage.

Enterprise_1701C

Whatever solution we come up with for NI will be refused.

The eu wish to use it to keep us in the single market, we could come up with the most perfect solution in the world, NI would agree and so would Eire, but the eu never will, they see it as a way of disrupting the so-called negotiations. Of course they are not truly negotiations, it is a case of the eu saying agree to this or else.

And don't tell me that we were warned. This has never happened before, the eu are making the rules up as they go along, and one of the rules is that they will try to ensure we will never escape their clutches. I am extremely hopeful that that particular rule of their will be soundly and totally broken.

iro

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Whatever solution we come up with for NI will be refused.

The eu wish to use it to keep us in the single market, we could come up with the most perfect solution in the world, NI would agree and so would Eire, but the eu never will, they see it as a way of disrupting the so-called negotiations. Of course they are not truly negotiations, it is a case of the eu saying agree to this or else.

And don't tell me that we were warned. This has never happened before, the eu are making the rules up as they go along, and one of the rules is that they will try to ensure we will never escape their clutches. I am extremely hopeful that that particular rule of their will be soundly and totally broken.

Let us hope for the young people of Europe that when we leave the EU its institutions are left in a smoking ruin.

Ballard

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

And don't tell me that we were warned. This has never happened before, the eu are making the rules up as they go along, and one of the rules is that they will try to ensure we will never escape their clutches. I am extremely hopeful that that particular rule of their will be soundly and totally broken.

We were repeatedly told that we held all of the cards and had the EU over a barrel. The big German car manufacturers would be in Merkel’s ear to ensure that a free trade deal was signed immediately. Someone like Gove (might’ve been Johnson) declared that the ink would be dry on a deal the day after we voted to leave. Some of us doubted this but others lapped it up.

It appears to have turned out that the EU are able to squeeze us after all.

vivatifosi

I had ten minutes to spare so thought I'd look back to gfplux's ye older Brexit thread, back from the days pre Brexit.

If you do a search for the term "customs union" and look for posts prior to the vote, it barely gets a mention, the first person to bring it up was s/he with a brain the size of a planet... antrobus.


It certainly wasn't the big issue that it is now, even though we are repeatedly told we all knew we agreed to it.

Enterprise_1701C

Ballard wrote: »

We were repeatedly told that we held all of the cards and had the EU over a barrel. The big German car manufacturers would be in Merkel’s ear to ensure that a free trade deal was signed immediately. Someone like Gove (might’ve been Johnson) declared that the ink would be dry on a deal the day after we voted to leave. Some of us doubted this but others lapped it up.

It appears to have turned out that the EU are able to squeeze us after all.

We do hold all the cards, logically. However there is too many idiots in the eu upper reaches that have decided that they want to make sure we sink without a trace when we leave.

And the German car manufacturers will suffer through Brexit.

Quite honestly, if a neighbour wishes to move from the neighbourhood and we have a mutually agreeable friendship I prefer to help them move and stay friends rather than going off in a sulk and saying I will never ever speak to them again.

And tell me please, if that neighbour had twice sparked world wars by trying to invade other countries, and then a few years later had stated that they would not invade if you handed them the front door keys and let them run your economy into the ground to ensure that their economy prospered, would you really hand them the keys?

It has taken the Germans only 70 years to do peaceably that which they tried to do by waging war. And they have the cheek to say the eu is keeping the peace when it is actually the UN doing that.

iro

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

We do hold all the cards, logically. However there is too many idiots in the eu upper reaches that have decided that they want to make sure we sink without a trace when we leave.

And the German car manufacturers will suffer through Brexit.

Quite honestly, if a neighbour wishes to move from the neighbourhood and we have a mutually agreeable friendship I prefer to help them move and stay friends rather than going off in a sulk and saying I will never ever speak to them again.

And tell me please, if that neighbour had twice sparked world wars by trying to invade other countries, and then a few years later had stated that they would not invade if you handed them the front door keys and let them run your economy into the ground to ensure that their economy prospered, would you really hand them the keys?

It has taken the Germans only 70 years to do peaceably that which they tried to do by waging war. And they have the cheek to say the eu is keeping the peace when it is actually the UN doing that.

Guido reporting Junker's remarks about Italy which they claim have now been removed from the EU site.

The march of history does appear to show that the state of Germany seeks to impose misery on others either by dropping bombs on them or by shackling their economies to a single currency that is perfect for German manufacturers.

In retrospect the Allies in 1945 should have taken the advice of Morgenthau.