Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Graham_Devon

Moby wrote: »

Don't simplify things. There are many reasons....it's not just the bogeyman, corrupt EU etc etc. The problems that are making people vote for extremist parties would still be there if the EU disappeared.

Bit rich to state to someone else not to simplify things and then justify this by simplyfying it to an extreme which removes all context yourself. This, alongside petty name calling of those you don't agree with just takes the hypocrisy one step further.

Extremist political views and parties will always exist, yes.

But in this case, the parties are emerging as opposition to the EU.

So whether other problems would remain whether in or out of the EU is neither here nor there. These parties are getting support from the man on the street as they are dissatisfied with some of the implications on them of being in the EU.

mayonnaise

Regarding the Italian thing and the tendency of the Europhobes to blame the EU for all Italy's ills....a bit more balanced view in this article:

Italy can't blame Brussels for its descent into the abyss

Italians, on the other hand, cannot get their own house in order. Instead they search around for someone else to blame.

Then there is the m-a-f-i-a, mass early retirement, huge levels of tax evasion and avoidance, and a low birthrate. These are all problems created in Italy, not Brussels.

Ain't that the truth...:)
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/30/italy-brussels-descent-abyss-eu-economics

Herzlos

The EU has just introduced a law to prevent migrant labour undercutting local wages:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/eu-brexit-uk-labour-laws-migrant-workers-a8375836.html

Which goes some way to solve the main driver for Brexit, but may not apply to us once we leave.

Sounds like the EU is listening to people's concerns more than the UK does. I'm sceptical of the unintended consequences though.

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

The EU has just introduced a law to prevent migrant labour undercutting local wages:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/eu-brexit-uk-labour-laws-migrant-workers-a8375836.html

Which goes some way to solve the main driver for Brexit, but may not apply to us once we leave.

Sounds like the EU is listening to people's concerns more than the UK does. I'm sceptical of the unintended consequences though.

So are Brussels racists and xenophobes?

mayonnaise

Tromking wrote: »

So are Brussels racists and xenophobes?

No.

Introducing new rules to prevent exploitation of workers is not racist nor xenophobic. :doh:

The new rules voted this week in Strasbourg will prevent the exploitation of workers, bringing about equality between posted workers and their local co-workers.

Tromking

mayonnaise wrote: »

No.

Introducing new rules to prevent exploitation of workers is not racist nor xenophobic. :doh:

Interesting spin you’ve put on the story there and a rather selective quote.
As you well know the tenor of the article is the EU recognising the concerns of the hosts country’s workers when it comes to being undercut.
What a shame for you that it took the UK leaving the club before it decided to act in this regard. Just think if they’d offered Cameron this little nugget when he was begging for the EU to throw him a kipper a couple of years back.

mayonnaise

Tromking wrote: »

Interesting spin you!!!8217;ve put on the story there and a rather selective quote.
As you well know the tenor of the article is the EU recognising the concerns of the hosts country!!!8217;s workers when it comes to being undercut.

Yes, as I said, measures to address undercutting of the host country's workers (by exploiting non-local workers) is neither racist nor xenophobic.

Tromking wrote: »

What a shame for you that it took the UK leaving the club before it decided to act in this regard. Just think if they!!!8217;d offered Cameron this little nugget when he was begging for the EU to throw him a kipper a couple of years back.

Cameron could have come back with his entire wish-list fulfilled, it wouldn't have made the slightest difference to the referendum result. In my opinion of course.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

Interesting spin you’ve put on the story there and a rather selective quote.
As you well know the tenor of the article is the EU recognising the concerns of the hosts country’s workers when it comes to being undercut.
What a shame for you that it took the UK leaving the club before it decided to act in this regard. Just think if they’d offered Cameron this little nugget when he was begging for the EU to throw him a kipper a couple of years back.

I thought the EU was a hugely slow monolith, so is this a result of Brexit or something that's been grinding away for years and missed by our MEPs?
I remember seeing something about this pre referendum in regards to haulage firms.

There's nothing xenophobic about the EU's action here. It's to avoid exploitation rather than a dislike of foreigners. I don't understand how it could be since EU citizens aren't foreigners to the EU. Or are you trying to use this to pretend that Brexit wasn't fundamentally xenophobic because the EU managed to solve the problem without kicking people out?

Thrugelmir

mayonnaise wrote: »

Yes, as I said, measures to address undercutting of the host country's workers (by exploiting non-local workers) is neither racist nor xenophobic.

Imposition is more of a challenge. There's plenty of people happy to be under the radar as well.

Moby

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Bit rich to state to someone else not to simplify things and then justify this by simplyfying it to an extreme which removes all context yourself. This, alongside petty name calling of those you don't agree with just takes the hypocrisy one step further.

Extremist political views and parties will always exist, yes.

But in this case, the parties are emerging as opposition to the EU.

So whether other problems would remain whether in or out of the EU is neither here nor there. These parties are getting support from the man on the street as they are dissatisfied with some of the implications on them of being in the EU.

I'm just saying everytime there's an EU crisis, the usual suspects start shouting the odds! What gets me is all this excited doom mongering for the EU by the naive canon fodder foot soldiers of Mogg and Johnson will backfire. The poor sorts have no idea what will hit them when we go all free trade. That's not hypocritical imo, I've always said it.