Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

iro

Moby wrote: »

I'm just saying everytime there's an EU crisis, the usual suspects start shouting the odds! What gets me is all this excited doom mongering for the EU by the naive canon fodder foot soldiers of Mogg and Johnson will backfire. The poor sorts have no idea what will hit them when we go all free trade. That's not hypocritical imo, I've always said it.

Mariano Rajoy: Why it could soon be over for Spain's PM

From the BBC.

Greetings to my friends in the Sovereign nation of Catalonia, one day soon I hope the jack boot of corrupt fascists in Madrid will be disappear and the brave freedom fighting Catalan politicians released from prison and returned to their families.:)

Herzlos

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Whatever solution we come up with for NI will be refused.

The eu wish to use it to keep us in the single market, we could come up with the most perfect solution in the world, NI would agree and so would Eire, but the eu never will, they see it as a way of disrupting the so-called negotiations. Of course they are not truly negotiations, it is a case of the eu saying agree to this or else.

And don't tell me that we were warned. This has never happened before, the eu are making the rules up as they go along, and one of the rules is that they will try to ensure we will never escape their clutches. I am extremely hopeful that that particular rule of their will be soundly and totally broken.

Well, yeah. There only 2 options; regulatory compliance or a border. We've promised to do neither which as far as I can tell is impossible. If we find a perfect solution I'm confident the EU will agree if for no reason other than saving face.

Graham_Devon

vivatifosi wrote: »

I had ten minutes to spare so thought I'd look back to gfplux's ye older Brexit thread, back from the days pre Brexit.

If you do a search for the term "customs union" and look for posts prior to the vote, it barely gets a mention, the first person to bring it up was s/he with a brain the size of a planet... antrobus.


It certainly wasn't the big issue that it is now, even though we are repeatedly told we all knew we agreed to it.

Thank's Viva - there are inconvenient truth's like this scattered all over the place when it comes to brexit discussions.

What was being discussed before the vote is very different to what's discussed after, everyone having hindsight at their disposal.

The majority of the arguments on here pre-brexit that I remember were about racism, the impact to business, the impact to the economy and finally, but not least, the impact on immigration.

iro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uSFSGR94iE

Now we know who to blame if we leave without a deal!

iro

:Thttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44327573

Gettttttttinnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mariano Rajoy: Spanish PM forced out of office

Rinoa

Ballard wrote: »

We were repeatedly told that we held all of the cards and had the EU over a barrel.

We had many good cards to play but that's not enough on its own, you have to be competent at playing them.

Sad to say we've been hopeless.

Thrugelmir

Rinoa wrote: »

Sad to say we've been hopeless.

What cards have been played?

Graham_Devon

Rinoa wrote: »

Sad to say we've been hopeless.

No real surprise though - the majority in the political arena don't want brexit to work. Look at Mark Carney and his constant assertions - he's almost desperate to make sure something happens in order that brexit can be blamed. Even if that something is created by the BOE themselves (linking interest rates to brexit, as an example).

It's been 2 years and hardly anything has happened. Our time is up, and the EU stated there would be no extension and we HAD to invoke article 50 with a strict 2 year time line. 2 years and and were looking at extensions and everyone, the EU and us appears to have forgotten all that nonsense about rigourous deadlines on both sides.

In my view, this will go on and on until either another referendum, or another political party takes power and changes how we move forward alongside the EU.

Ballard

iro wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uSFSGR94iE

Now we know who to blame if we leave without a deal!

Who to blame:
Remainers
The EU
The Lords
May

Who not to blame:
Leavers

Moby

iro wrote: »

Guido reporting Junker's remarks about Italy which they claim have now been removed from the EU site.

The march of history does appear to show that the state of Germany seeks to impose misery on others either by dropping bombs on them or by shackling their economies to a single currency that is perfect for German manufacturers.

In retrospect the Allies in 1945 should have taken the advice of Morgenthau.

The whiff of gammon proves my point!