Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Tromking

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I dunno.... but if a second referendum was held and remain won, how would the remain voters feel if we then left the EU?

I think for all our sanity and future prospects, we have to avoid the well trodden path of referendums until the right answer is given. It just breeds extremism.

Remember, if we hold another referendum and remain win it by a small majority, we'll just be back to where we were 4 years ago. UKIP (or worse) taking centre stage etc etc etc. But this time, the UKIP type party will be stronger, with factual statements on "don't vote for them, they won't do as they say they will".

I certainly wouldn’t give any 2nd referendum any legitimacy by voting in it and probably would never vote in another national election ever again if the first referendum result is not honoured to my satisfaction.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

I certainly wouldn’t give any 2nd referendum any legitimacy by voting in it and probably would never vote in another national election ever again if the first referendum result is not honoured to my satisfaction.

It's not going to be honoured to your satisfaction.

A 2nd one would need some kind of qualified majority; if it went 52/48 again it'd really be a mess.

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

It's not going to be honoured to your satisfaction.

A 2nd one would need some kind of qualified majority; if it went 52/48 again it'd really be a mess.

No chance of a second referendum, least of all with a qualified majority. There would be a civil war resulting from the attempt at such a stitch up.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

No chance of a second referendum, least of all with a qualified majority. There would be a civil war resulting from the attempt at such a stitch up.

The stitch up being the referendum or the qualified majority?

I suspect you guys are getting stitched up anyway. I'm starting to struggle with the idea that the Tories are this incompetent. I appreciate the party is shrinking so the pool of available talent is reducing, but I can't believe these are the best of what's left. I suspect this is all part of a really elaborate long game where Maud taking a hit for the party before retiring.

posh*spice

Moby wrote: »

What people voted for is not clear at all. That's the problem.

Keep telling yourself that. We all know what we voted for and wont stop until we get we want....so keep trying to frustrate us but we will never go away.

]https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/27/eurotunnel-tory-brexit-customs-union[/url]

The warnings just keep on coming.


Fascinating poll on Peston !!!8211; shows that % of NI people preferring to say in the EU has increased massively from 56% to 69% and it's clear Scottish people are moving that way as well. The numbers of Scottish and NI people wanting to remain in the single market are even higher. Unionists had better heed these trends.

Remoaners quoting remoaners as if it means anything.

*Yawn* Dont you ever get bored listening to yourselves?

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

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I suspect you guys are getting stitched up anyway.
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To suspect something is not a strong enough argument to counter a democratic referendum with a really strong turnout.

The vote was to leave the EU. It's now the job of the politicians to deliver on the choice made by the voters. We need to make sure they do just that.

posh*spice

kabayiri wrote: »

We need to make sure they do just that.

They will.

Tories ahead in the polls for months now....

vivatifosi

kabayiri wrote: »

To suspect something is not a strong enough argument to counter a democratic referendum with a really strong turnout.

The vote was to leave the EU. It's now the job of the politicians to deliver on the choice made by the voters. We need to make sure they do just that.

I still won't be surprised if we leave the EU, but join EFTA or take a Switzerland approach. It will be sold as an interim position, but then we will stay there.

I know it won't be popular here, but I think a stronger EFTA with more critical mass, would offer an alternative vision to countries who want to act at the second speed in a two speed Europe, as well as a more realistic exit option for countries without the critical mass of the UK.

iro

vivatifosi wrote: »

I still won't be surprised if we leave the EU, but join EFTA or take a Switzerland approach. It will be sold as an interim position, but then we will stay there.

I know it won't be popular here, but I think a stronger EFTA with more critical mass, would offer an alternative vision to countries who want to act at the second speed in a two speed Europe, as well as a more realistic exit option for countries without the critical mass of the UK.

You are correct in the sense that we voted to leave the EU not Europe.

Italy is finding out the value of democracy when everything is run for benefit of the Greater German Reich and youth unemployment of over 35% is just the price.

kabayiri

vivatifosi wrote: »

I still won't be surprised if we leave the EU, but join EFTA or take a Switzerland approach. It will be sold as an interim position, but then we will stay there.
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If this is the case, then each of us can judge the performance of the new arrangement in the coming elections.

I am tired of this feeble excuse that it is the fault of ordinary people as to the ability to leave the EU.

Political parties don't offer a referendum without performing due diligence on both options. That would be either arrogant or stupid.

It's time we held politicians to the standards we should expect, not some second rate level of service.