Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

wunferall

iro wrote: »

weaponise the NI border...

weaponise abortion....

is there any limit to what some remainers will do to stop Brexit?

No. Not in these forums sat least, as reading past posts very clearly demonstrates.

Meanwhile a few of the EU's problem areas are rapidly reaching either conclusion or another fudge.

Rajoy faces a vote on Friday and may well be removed as Spain's prime minister. Regardless of the outcome it is looking increasingly likely that Spain will face new elections in the autumn and this in turn could well lead to upheaval in Spain and thus in the EU, for a number of reasons.

Italy ........ well, what a mess! It's looking increasingly likely that there will be more elections later in the year at which time it is widely-expected that the Eurosceptics will make further and considerable gains, almost certainly throwing the country into dispute with the EU.

No doubt Mayo, Moby, Hamish & crew will wrongly take this post as a Brexiter's proof of impending collapse of the EU as they are so often wont to do. And as usual the remainer faction will in doing so completely ignore the indisputable fact that such actions in Spain and in Italy are only further weakening the perceived unity of club EU.

It's a bit like the game "Jenga"; there is a finite limit to how many blocks can be removed before your tower crumbles.

French strikes against Macron's reforms are doing France's economy no good; the EU's growth and sentiment is slowing down considerably (why are our remainer posters continually ignoring that? ) ; China has complained to the WTO of the EU's "Law of the jungle" approach.

Then of course the migrant crisis rolls on, still unresolved after nigh-on three years. Juncker's appointment of Selmayer has caused ructions, proving the EU can't even respect its own rules to the extent that the EU Ombudsman has become involved. Nord Stream 2 debate rumbles on too, as does the possibility of a potentially expensive trade war with Indonesia & Malaysia because of the EU's stance in biofuels and palm oil. There's so much more it's hard to know when to stop, like Visegrad problems; Turkey problems; budget problems and so much more.

Yet the remainers here just want to keep going over old ground and trying to suggest that the EU is some kind of panacea compared to perceived (yes, and occasionally real) problems with the UK.

No the UK isn't perfect but really even with Brexit, compared to club EU it's a beacon of sensibility.

Thrugelmir

iro wrote: »

So that explains our record low unemployment levels because???????

Consumers have kept spending. PPI payouts , credit and using savings. Never sustainable. News from the retail sector suggests all is not well. Most recently M&S closing 100 stores, Tesco direct shutting.

Europe hasn't enjoyed the same boom. There again they are generally more careful with their money. So there's nothing to bust.

iro

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Consumers have kept spending. PPI payouts , credit and using savings. Never sustainable. News from the retail sector suggests all is not well. Most recently M&S closing 100 stores, Tesco direct shutting.

Europe hasn't enjoyed the same boom. There again they are generally more careful with their money. So there's nothing to bust.

True because they did not get the Brexit boost but I am pretty sure that Italians will be getting that soon.

The employment from retail shifts smoothly into distribution and warehousing this explains the record number of vacancies as well the expansion of the Labour market as those previously economically inactive are obliged to seek work under the sensible UC changes.

buglawton

I think Iro you may be referring to the €xit the Italians are hoping for, Another example of gain via decoupling coming up?

iro

Yes Euro interruptus, I believe it once had the blessing of the Roman church.

iro

Italian yield up again tehe!

What is German for schadenfreude?

gfplux

Whatever Brexiters voted for the politicians are not going to deliver what they wanted.

While almost every politician and civil servant are working on this false Brexit what about all the other issues a modern democracy faces. Simply there is no time or intellectual band width available for anything but false Brexit and they cant get that right.

Brexiters on this forum spend most of their time talking down the EU (which you are leaving) and little time complaining about the false Brexit being delivered.

Pointing out the faults in the EU does not improve the UK.

Tromking

wunferall wrote: »

No. Not in these forums sat least, as reading past posts very clearly demonstrates.

Meanwhile a few of the EU's problem areas are rapidly reaching either conclusion or another fudge.

Rajoy faces a vote on Friday and may well be removed as Spain's prime minister. Regardless of the outcome it is looking increasingly likely that Spain will face new elections in the autumn and this in turn could well lead to upheaval in Spain and thus in the EU, for a number of reasons.

Italy ........ well, what a mess! It's looking increasingly likely that there will be more elections later in the year at which time it is widely-expected that the Eurosceptics will make further and considerable gains, almost certainly throwing the country into dispute with the EU.

No doubt Mayo, Moby, Hamish & crew will wrongly take this post as a Brexiter's proof of impending collapse of the EU as they are so often wont to do. And as usual the remainer faction will in doing so completely ignore the indisputable fact that such actions in Spain and in Italy are only further weakening the perceived unity of club EU.

It's a bit like the game "Jenga"; there is a finite limit to how many blocks can be removed before your tower crumbles.

French strikes against Macron's reforms are doing France's economy no good; the EU's growth and sentiment is slowing down considerably (why are our remainer posters continually ignoring that? ) ; China has complained to the WTO of the EU's "Law of the jungle" approach.

Then of course the migrant crisis rolls on, still unresolved after nigh-on three years. Juncker's appointment of Selmayer has caused ructions, proving the EU can't even respect its own rules to the extent that the EU Ombudsman has become involved. Nord Stream 2 debate rumbles on too, as does the possibility of a potentially expensive trade war with Indonesia & Malaysia because of the EU's stance in biofuels and palm oil. There's so much more it's hard to know when to stop, like Visegrad problems; Turkey problems; budget problems and so much more.

Yet the remainers here just want to keep going over old ground and trying to suggest that the EU is some kind of panacea compared to perceived (yes, and occasionally real) problems with the UK.

No the UK isn't perfect but really even with Brexit, compared to club EU it's a beacon of sensibility.

Cracking post, thank you.
The disconnect between European peoples and their political elites grows ever wider. Brussels seems incapable of responding to the genuine concerns of its citizens. The usual suspects on here will fail to see it, but the current travails on our continent are an existential crisis for the Federalist European dream.

gfplux

Britains immigration policy is quite interesting.
Who knew the following as reported by Politico. We learn something new everyday.

QUOTE
Good news for Roman Obramovich, Israel passport holders are allowed to enter Britain and stay for up to six months without a visa, the BBC News at Ten reported last night. The Times has more details here. Whats more, according to the Times of Israel, as a new citizen, Abramovich is exempt from taxes in Israel on income earned abroad for 10 years, and does not have to declare the sources of that income for the same period.
END QUOTE

iro

gfplux wrote: »

Whatever Brexiters voted for the politicians are not going to deliver what they wanted.

While almost every politician and civil servant are working on this false Brexit what about all the other issues a modern democracy faces. Simply there is no time or intellectual band width available for anything but false Brexit and they cant get that right.

Brexiters on this forum spend most of their time talking down the EU (which you are leaving) and little time complaining about the false Brexit being delivered.

Pointing out the faults in the EU does not improve the UK.

But it might point out that that being out of the corrupt, stinking, fascistic EU is the least worse alternative.

BTW half a million people have signed a 'certain' petition, I cannot wait to see how nasty the second referendum on Brexit will be, that is why I shall be completing my postal ballot and heading south to the sun.