Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

kabayiri

gfplux wrote: »

Britain knows the rules about EU freedom of movement. Three months after arriving if you dont have a job or means to support yourself you must leave.

The fact Britain has not applied those rules is due to apathy or probably more to do with inadequate systems and funding is down to the Britiah Government NOT the EU.

The arrival in Britain of non EU Citizens is entirely at the discretion of the British Government. Any difficulty in removing them is down to the British Government relationship with the International Court of Justice and has nothing to do with the EU.

Regardless, I am offered an opportunity to show the UK government about what I think of the migration debacle, and I took it.

I don't care about lax application of rules. It's not my job to care. All I can do is vote in GE's and referendums.

People can even moan about my choice in the referendum. I must obviously be consistent and therefore say I don't care what they think either. I used my legitimate right to make a free choice.

Ballard

Graham_Devon wrote: »

You too? More strawmen? I have not once alleged that.

I specifically referenced what Germany allowed to happen (Germany is not the UK, should you need to be told).

I also specifically stated that the UK is lucky to have a physical border as we are surrounded by water.

I don't really understand how you can take anything I have stated thus far and make out that I have suggested Britain has lax borders.

No wonder some of you who voted remain are so confused by those who voted leave. You can't even seem to read what is stated without re-creating your own imagination of what's written in black and white.

I can’t quite make out what your point about the borders is. Are you saying that the borders are already strong? Do you expect them to strengthen further once we’ve left the EU or was the state of our borders not an issue for you in your decision to vote leave?

Sorry to ask such a basic question but I’m on my phone and it can be a pain to go back and forth to check previous posts.



As it happens I flew back to the UK from Helsinki yesterday and had to travel from a non-Schengen part of the Helsinki airport which had additional security so I believe it to be secure as it stands.

Arklight

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Can you point out where I said it was?

Or are you struggling to address any point I actually did raise, therefore, coming up with this claptrap?

You complain about the EU because of terrorism, two things that have nothing to do with one another, then jump onto some unexplained anecdote about Calais.

What do you mean?

Arklight

What are we supposed to call decent people now the term !!!8220;decent person!!!8221; has been subverted to actually mean !!!8220;xenophobic idiot!!!8221;?

ukcarper

gfplux wrote: »

Many remainers are trying to point out that the original vote was based on a misunderstanding of the huge benefits of the EU and when you leave the EU you don’t get to have your cake and eat it.

There was plenty of time to make those arguments and they were made before referendum and people made thier choice. As I said I voted remain but I don't believe all the doom and gloom being peddled now. I believe on balance we would be better off staying in EU but there are disadvantages to being in EU and I don't think the consequences of leaving will be as bad as some remainers think.

Moby

Arklight wrote: »

You really don't understand what democracy is, do you?

Brexiteers think democracy ended on 23/06/16. I always thought democracy is not date limited because surely if it was you could argue that we should have just accepted the vote on 05/06/75.

iro

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gfplux

Graham_Devon wrote: »

You too? More strawmen? I have not once alleged that.

I specifically referenced what Germany allowed to happen (Germany is not the UK, should you need to be told).

I also specifically stated that the UK is lucky to have a physical border as we are surrounded by water.

I don't really understand how you can take anything I have stated thus far and make out that I have suggested Britain has lax borders.

No wonder some of you who voted remain are so confused by those who voted leave. You can't even seem to read what is stated without re-creating your own imagination of what's written in black and white.

17.4 million voted for Brexit. Many voted as they were angry at too many immigrants who did not work but lived off the state. I am only pointing out that the anger was directed at the wrong institution.

EU citizens can but weren’t removed after three months if they did not have a job or sufficient funds....who to blame....the British Government

Non EU citizens were in Britain either by invitation of the Government or due to porous borders that were porous due to lack of funding by...... the British Government.


So many of the 17.4million voted for something that the British Government had dropped the ball over.
Now with Brexit the Government will have to take full responsibility for immigration. How do you think they are doing so far after nearly two years since the referendum?

16.1 million voted to remain in the EU. For over fourty years Brexiters have kept telling us that the EU was bad for Britain, do not think for one minute that remainers will not be reminding you for the next fourty years and more that leaving the EU is BAD for Britain.

Don’t be angry you got what you thought you wanted. Now live with it.

vivatifosi

Reading Barnier's comments over the weekend, I'm really not clear whether we are going to:

a) Compromise on an EFTA/EEA type deal, or
b) Crash out with a no deal, or
c) Extend the negotiation period.

What I can't see happening without a massive change in position on both sides is

d) Exiting the EU and CU to the original timetable.

What does everyone else think?

Moby

ukcarper wrote: »

There was plenty of time to make those arguments and they were made before referendum and people made thier choice. As I said I voted remain but I don't believe all the doom and gloom being peddled now. I believe on balance we would be better off staying in EU but there are disadvantages to being in EU and I don't think the consequences of leaving will be as bad as some remainers think.

Even most of those pushing through Brexit i.e. May, Hammond etc don't believe in what they are doing. All that is happening now is that our Govmt are trying to get the best deal they can to minimise the damage caused by the vote while papering over the cracks in the tory party.....it's hardly the bright new future we were promised is it!