Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Ballard

Rinoa wrote: »

Farage was campainging in a democratically held vote.

Remainers are protesting against the democratic result.
If the minority can override the democratic wishes of the majority we may as well live in a dictatorship.

You'd like that if terrorist sympathiser Corbyn ever wins.

I dare say that had remain on the referendum you!!!8217;d have been shouting down Farage who publicly stated that had leave lost 48-52 it was unfinished business.

Corbyn is depicted as an IRA sympathiser whereas he was trying to get them round the table so that the process to stop the awful bombings could start. It!!!8217;s widely acknowledged that the Thatcher government also had many secret talks with them but that wouldn!!!8217;t be reported in the mail or express.

Edit: I should have said Sein Fein rather than IRA. My mistake.

Herzlos

Graham_Devon wrote: »

May I answer? Terrorism.

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May not have effected me directly, but it's certainly a huge concern for me.

It shouldn't be though. The right wing rags scream about it but the odds of being involved in a terrorist attack is negligible. It sells papers and votes, though and plays into the terrorists plans.

Graham_Devon

Herzlos wrote: »

It shouldn't be though. The right wing rags scream about it but the odds of being involved in a terrorist attack is negligible. It sells papers and votes, though and plays into the terrorists plans.

I don't mean that it stops me doing things.

I just mean that it's a big issue for me that we let the guard down sufficiently enough to allow terrorists, not only into the country, but to sit right under the nose of the officials in Brussels. Not only that, but they passed through several countries while fleeing. Many people will have a right to free movement to the UK.

It effects my thoughts on what Germany allowed to happen. And they did allow it. It was a decision to allow free access. Not some sort of error that allowed the free movement, but a decision, although the consequences were known.

When stating these things, you are usually accused of being racist. Far from it, every country has immigration controls for good reason. With checks, I have less of an issue. But a free for all? Yes, I have a problem with it, wherever they may have come from.

We are lucky in the UK to have a physical water separation.

The EU army also offends me and would effect us. EU law effects us all individually. Someone asked the question, just giving an answer really.

kabayiri

Graham_Devon wrote: »

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When stating these things, you are usually accused of being racist. Far from it, every country has immigration controls for good reason. With checks, I have less of an issue. But a free for all? Yes, I have a problem with it, wherever they may have come from.
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Of course racial discrimination could have played a part.

Many areas with high percentages of Asian heritage people voted to leave.

Maybe it was religious as much as racial bias....or maybe it really is about competition for jobs and local resources.

kabayiri

ilovehouses wrote: »

Terrorists must be laughing their heads off at the ease in which it's possible to scare people into following their agenda.

Why would potential (and actual) terrorists be anti-EU?

I would imagine they are rather keen on freedom to roam.

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

After the Tories betrayed the UK by allowing the referendum in the first place?



Less than 50% of the people in the UK voted to leave the EU, you can also add the people who may be forced to return to the UK for economic reasons but were denied a vote.

If you can't override earlier decisions, then we may as well live in a dictatorship.



And that is how you were played.

Although it was Tory's that put forward the referendum all parties apart from SNP showed how out of touch they were with the public by voting for it as they thought we would vote to remain.

Personally I think people can protest as much as they like but the politicians should not try to prevent in without a clear mandate which they do not have.

Graham_Devon

ilovehouses wrote: »

Terrorists must be laughing their heads off at the ease in which it's possible to scare people into following their agenda.

While ignoring your soundbite, I would imagine that they were laughing their heads off at the EU, and specifically Germany for giving freedom to roam.

"Lost" your passport in the grass over there with the 1,000 other passports? No probs, come on in...

Put simply - how does this effect me? Well I don't wish to live in a country whereby policy made up by a German chancellor can have massive effects such as freedom to work and live in the UK, via Germany handing citizenship to anyone who simply claimed to be freeing a country.

I don't expect people were expecting anyone to come up with a solid answer to the original query?

phillw

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Well I don't wish to live in a country whereby policy made up by a German chancellor can have massive effects such as freedom to work and live in the UK, via Germany handing citizenship to anyone who simply claimed to be freeing a country.

It's a pity you don't want to embrace the opportunities of diversity and instead wish to revert to protectionism and discriminating against people based on what country they happen to have been born in.

ukcarper wrote: »

politicians should not try to prevent in without a clear mandate which they do not have.

It's a poisoned chalice, politicians need to make it happen but need to make it a success. That is looking more and more as if it's impossible. Politicians also have a duty to vote with their conscience, destroying the country because less than half of the inhabitants won a single vote is not what democracy is about.

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

It's a pity you don't want to embrace the opportunities of diversity and instead wish to revert to protectionism and discriminating against people based on what country they happen to have been born in.



It's a poisoned chalice, politicians need to make it happen but need to make it a success. That is looking more and more as if it's impossible. Politicians also have a duty to vote with their conscience, destroying the country because less than half of the inhabitants won a single vote is not what democracy is about.

They also have a duty to represent thier constituents and many of the pro remain MPs represent constituencies where the leave vote was high.

It also counter productive to say you respect the referendum result and then try to undermine it.

I voted remain and accept that we are going to leave and than means leaving customs union and single market, I don't see the point of going over the same arguments that were used in the run up to the referendum.

Graham_Devon

phillw wrote: »

It's a pity you don't want to embrace the opportunities of diversity and instead wish to revert to protectionism and discriminating against people based on what country they happen to have been born in.

Why is it a pity to want borders in place to check people before entering a country?

Please explain.

And I never said I didn't wish to embrace diversity. I just don't embrace terrorism. Sorry.