Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Arklight

Graham_Devon wrote: »

May I answer? Terrorism.

Plain and simple for me. Both terrorism which hasn't yet taken place, and that that has. (Bataclan, the mowing down of pedestrians in Berlin).

May not have effected me directly, but it's certainly a huge concern for me.

Finally, my immediate family have been effected at Calais two years ago. You may not think it's much, but fearing for ones life and superficial damage to a car is, again, enough for me to have a view on welcoming anyone in.

Islamic terrorism isn’t caused by the EU, Graham.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

The whole point of the EU is to raise all countries to the same level, it's obvious that countries in the EU are going to be more prosperous than those outside it.

No it's not.

The fundamental purposes of the European Union are to promote greater social, political and economic harmony among the nations of Western Europe.

That can only mean redistribution of wealth from richer to poorer members. Whether it be in capital terms or lower wages.

Arklight

Rinoa wrote: »

Farage was campainging in a democratically held vote.

Remainers are protesting against the democratic result.
If the minority can override the democratic wishes of the majority we may as well live in a dictatorship.

You'd like that if terrorist sympathiser Corbyn ever wins.

You really don't understand what democracy is, do you?

kabayiri

Thrugelmir wrote: »

No it's not.



That can only mean redistribution of wealth from richer to poorer members. Whether it be in capital terms or lower wages.

German auto companies shifted their parts manufacturing to the new entrant EU states not out of some wealth distribution dream.

No. It was to take advantage of actual wage differentials and make more profit.

That's what business has been doing with this whole globalization thing for decades now.

If wages suddenly harmonized across the zone, then why site your auto parts plants in the EU? You'd shift them to China.

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

If wages suddenly harmonized across the zone, then why site your auto parts plants in the EU? You'd shift them to China.

Unless you can airfreight them in. Delivery is most likely too slow. Meanwhile........

BMW Brilliance (officially BMW Brilliance Automotive Ltd.) is an automobile manufacturing company headquartered in Shenyang, China and a joint venture between BMW and Brilliance Auto. Its principal activity is the production, distribution and sale of BMW passenger cars in mainland Chi

Pilot shipment is set to be sent to the Philippines this month (January 2018).

China-made Volkswagen cars will soon be exported to Southeast Asian markets, with a pilot shipment to the Philippines to be made this month, according to Volkswagen Group China.

A company representative said on Friday that it will be the first time China-made Volkswagen cars will be sold overseas, but he did not disclose the specific models involved or the number of cars in the shipment.

"The export models will be drawn from our lineups in market segments where we have a proven sales success. In general, it's an additional offer to the existing offer of Volkswagen in the Philippines. We want to expand the choice," the representative told China Daily.

The exports are part of a plan Volkswagen Group China has signed with its two Chinese joint ventures!!!65293;SAIC Volkswagen and FAW-Volkswagen!!!65293;to expand into overseas markets.

"The initial phase targets Southeast Asian markets. The export program is scheduled to get underway fully in March. The target is to deliver several thousand cars to customers annually in this region in the years to come," said Volkswagen Group China in a statement.

The company said the move reflects the international standard of its joint venture products and represents a new milestone in Volkswagen AG's relationship with its two longstanding Chinese partners.

Weiming Soh, executive vice-president of Volkswagen Group China, said: "It represents the next step in the ongoing expansion and development of our joint ventures and underscores the fact that their products can compete internationally."

Volkswagen Group China said the export program will be implemented in close coordination with the capacity utilization in other regions.

John Zeng, managing director of consulting firm LMC Automotive Shanghai, said the Volkswagen move may be targeted to better utilize its global production network to enhance its presence in the Southeast Asian region, which has been dominated by Japanese brands.

Volkswagen is by a long way the best-selling car brand in China, which has been its largest market worldwide.

In 2017, a record-breaking 3.18 million vehicles were delivered to customers in the Chinese mainland and Hong Kong, up 5.9 percent year-on-year, which almost doubled the overall car sales growth rate in China. More than 98 percent of them were made in China.

Volkswagen is not the first international brand to export China-made cars.

Volvo Cars finished its first shipment of China-made S60 sedans to the United States in 2015 and started exporting flagship S90 sedans to Europe and the United States in mid-2017.

General Motors exported its China-made Buick Envision SUVs back to the United States in 2016.

GAC Fiat Chrysler Automobiles Co., Ltd. is an automobile manufacturing company headquartered in Changsha, China and a 50:50 joint-venture between GAC Group and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles

Graham_Devon

Arklight wrote: »

Islamic terrorism isn’t caused by the EU, Graham.

Can you point out where I said it was?

Or are you struggling to address any point I actually did raise, therefore, coming up with this claptrap?

gfplux

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Why is it a pity to want borders in place to check people before entering a country?

Please explain.

And I never said I didn't wish to embrace diversity. I just don't embrace terrorism. Sorry.

Having passed through Britains borders in the last few days I did not notice anyone NOT being checked.

If Britain has porous borders as you alledge is not the fault of the EU but of the British Government.

gfplux

Rinoa wrote: »

Remainers aren't 'protesting', they're attempting to overthrow a democratic decision made by the majority.

Many remainers are trying to point out that the original vote was based on a misunderstanding of the huge benefits of the EU and when you leave the EU you don’t get to have your cake and eat it.

gfplux

AFF8879 wrote: »

That!!!8217;s a bit rich considering the EU allows freedom of movement and borderless flow for predominantly white, middle class nations yet severely restricts those from developing nations.....

Britain knows the rules about EU freedom of movement. Three months after arriving if you dont have a job or means to support yourself you must leave.

The fact Britain has not applied those rules is due to apathy or probably more to do with inadequate systems and funding is down to the Britiah Government NOT the EU.

The arrival in Britain of non EU Citizens is entirely at the discretion of the British Government. Any difficulty in removing them is down to the British Government relationship with the International Court of Justice and has nothing to do with the EU.

Graham_Devon

gfplux wrote: »

Having passed through Britains borders in the last few days I did not notice anyone NOT being checked.

If Britain has porous borders as you alledge is not the fault of the EU but of the British Government.

You too? More strawmen? I have not once alleged that.

I specifically referenced what Germany allowed to happen (Germany is not the UK, should you need to be told).

I also specifically stated that the UK is lucky to have a physical border as we are surrounded by water.

I don't really understand how you can take anything I have stated thus far and make out that I have suggested Britain has lax borders.

No wonder some of you who voted remain are so confused by those who voted leave. You can't even seem to read what is stated without re-creating your own imagination of what's written in black and white.