Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

iro wrote: »

With 43% youth unemployment in parts of the EU are doing a fine job of f--ing it up themselves:T

And we can exploit that how, to what ends? We'll keep getting stonewalled if we try to talk to individual nations rather than the bloc.

The EU has plenty of problem(it's never been in dispute beyond strawmen), but we're far from the top of the list or in any position to capitalise on any of them.

If you think otherwise please explain it to me as I'm genuinely interest in finding out.

esuhl

wunferall wrote: »

Oh dear, are you yet another remainer that just doesn't understand?

You can walk away from your phone contract when it finishes. Okay so far? If you decide to renew your phone contract you must agree to it, and your provider must also agree. Otherwise the contract expires. Still with it?

So, the UK has said that we are leaving the EU; our contract with them will expire on March 29th 2019.

No it won't. The terms state that is the earliest that the UK can leave, but leaving is still subject to mutual agreement.

It's like taking out a mobile-phone contract that never expires unless both parties agree to it, and then trying to walk away.

Have you actually read the Lisbon Treaty, or you yet another Brexiteer that just doesn't understand?

mrginge

esuhl wrote: »

No it won't. The terms state that is the earliest that the UK can leave, but leaving is still subject to mutual agreement.

It's like taking out a mobile-phone contract that never expires unless both parties agree to it, and then trying to walk away.

Have you actually read the Lisbon Treaty, or you yet another Brexiteer that just doesn't understand?

Sorry, are you saying we are not allowed to leave unless the EU let us?

If so this is brand new information that no-one else in the world seems to have realised.

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

b) is clearly untrue.

We voted against the budget expansion proposals in 2010, and we were outvoted.

As the EU enlarges, it will have to move to QMV. That's pretty much obvious.

I feel confident that our 'say' is worth less, now that over half the voting public said we don't want to remain in the EU.

If the people of Greece had voted to leave the EU, I would question their commitment to the project too.

Why do you think the EU would accept us back into the EU core? It's patent nonsense. If they wanted a show of faith, the opportunity was there during the Cameron European roadshow.

He was publicly snubbed, plain and simple.

Any member of a club that has travelled this far to leave the club would find it hard to reverse the decision. Does the club want Britain to stay. I am not so sure.

gfplux

Herzlos wrote: »

I still think that if handled correctly all of the damage can be undone eventually. We've made a fool of ourselves but no bridges have been burnt. We'd at least be starting from a better position than leaving or trying to rejoin later.

We haven't actually told them what leaving will entail yet, so if we said to them "we've been rash and leaving is in no-ones best interests. How much do we owe you to forget the whole mess and withdraw A50?" they' happily accept us back; it's in their interest too.
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I want to believe that.
Thinking there is a way back in to the EU or that Brexit will not happen is too much optimism for me.

iro

No they want rid of us. Good.

Far too troublesome, getting rebates not joining the Euro.

This is the genius of Brexit, just like Eire, we will start off as an EU 'free state', as the EU treat us badly we will slowly take apart any formal connection.

Eventually the UK will be entirely free of the EU, I for one value the sovereignty of the UK over any short term financial pain.

Remoaniacs may not like it, but if they want to kiss the backside of a foreign power they will have to move.

Enterprise_1701C

I am beginning to think we should just revoke the European Communities Act and be done with it.

Certainly do not want to be part of the eu when they start taking over the rest of Eastern Europe etc, I am convinced that this will create more friction with Russia. Far from being the so-called creators of peace (they are not, that is Nato), they will bring us closer to the edge.

If they do take over more of the countries surrounding Russia they will be after far more money apart from anything else, and I remain convinced that it would be a case of join the euro or have far less say in matters than we had previously anyway. Fiscal union means they say what happens to our money, I can imagine more and more taxes appearing to cover their expenses.

The eu is ridiculous, they spend over £100 million a year just to stop France sulking, that is the cost of transporting the whole circus from Brussels to France each month, and can they stop it to save a bit of money as we are leaving? No, the French will flounce off and leave the EPP if they do.

If the remainers can just forget about their comfort blanket for two minutes, just let me say we are a GREAT country, we need the training systems back in place rather than just taking in cheaper labour, we need apprenticeships up and running better, and I for one prefer the idea of actually being able to properly understand medical staff and having them properly understand English. If we have properly qualified medical staff from other countries they should, as I hope they are, be tested for their medical knowledge and they should be fluent in English, at least we will be able to set our own standards rather than having to kowtow to some distant self-important civil servant.

iro

Remoaniacs need to come to terms with the fact that they have destroyed any chance of any of the UK rejoining.

We have stuck two fingers to Barnier et al and they simply cannot deal with that.

Any terms for revoking Article 50 would mean the UK losing the rebate, joining the Euro and accepting unlimited numbers of 'migrants' which would utterly destroy our social system.

Remoaniacs thought they would ruin Brexit, all they have done is close the door on the UK rejoining.

Well done flakies! We could not have done it without you!

Herzlos

I'd love to think more like a leaver, just in case the cognative dissonance is on my side and Brexit is actually a good thing. Any ideas where I should start reading to become convinced?

iro wrote: »

Remoaniacs need to come to terms with the fact that they have destroyed any chance of any of the UK rejoining.

We have stuck two fingers to Barnier et al and they simply cannot deal with that.

Any terms for revoking Article 50 would mean the UK losing the rebate, joining the Euro and accepting unlimited numbers of 'migrants' which would utterly destroy our social system.

Remoaniacs thought they would ruin Brexit, all they have done is close the door on the UK rejoining.

Well done flakies! We could not have done it without you!

I don't think there's any doubt that we could rejoin the EU. The question is on the terms, and they'd undoubtedly be worse than we gave up.

The comparison then, when we're debating re-joining is not re-joining Vs what he had before we threw it away, but re-joining Vs what we have at the time.

Removing any formal connection between us and the EU wouldn't be "short term financial pain", it'd be a severe and protracted economic suicide. Unless you aren't counting a free trade agreement as a formal connection.

iro

The comparison then, when we're debating re-joining is not re-joining Vs what he had before we threw it away, but re-joining Vs what we have at the time.

Correct, and the terms will be much, much worse than what we had before, I do not think that remoaniacs really understood what Brexit was about.

Brexit was not just about voting to Leave it was also about ensuring that there was no chance that we would ever return. After all if MPs had voted against Article 50 then we would still be members on the same terms.

The court case on Article 50 was pure joy!

Making Parliament vote on it, if TM had been left with the discretion she could have delayed invoking Article 50 and begun negotiations about staying in a reformed EU.

Article 50 is irrevocable unilaterally and everyone agrees about that, it would require the agreement of all the other parties.

The remoaniacs had a set of cards to play and boy did they play them badly!