Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

gfplux

vivatifosi wrote: »

Thanks. I have just found and read the Karlsson report, which is very thorough. Given that Karlsson is an expert of digital border solutions, as a way of breaking the impasse, why don't we just adopt his model and move on?

But, but, but, he is an Expert!

gfplux

BobQ wrote: »

We may well take the view that NI does not matter, but what does that say about the UK and its approach to respecting the views of minorities?..

Sadly the World has had a clear demonstration of how the UK treats minoritys in the last week.

gfplux

Apparently May and Rudd were so worried as to how the present news on the treatment of minorities would be seen by the EU that they have been having private talks with EU diplomats.

This is a quote from todays Politicos email.

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The Home Office held a private briefing for worried EU diplomats in London last week to reassure them that EU citizens in Britain will not get the Windrush treatment after Brexit. POLITICOs Giulia Paravicini and Charlie Cooper spoke to sources in three EU embassies who were at the briefing, which was led by Home Office head of strategy Simon Bond last Friday. U.K. government officials acknowledged the ;psychological impact the Windrush scandal may have had on EU citizens in Britain, one diplomat present tells Giulia and Charlie, but insisted the post-Brexit immigration system will pose a very different situation. Another diplomat reports the U.K. governments plan to avoid similar problems for EU27 citizens is to start from a presumption of legality of the residency, and not from a presumption of illegality of the residency, as has been the case so far. Which may or may not be reassuring.
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Herzlos

Not leaving the customs union looks a bit more likely

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-latest-ministers-plot-customs-union-in-all-but-name-to-end-tory-split-a3821006.html

kabayiri

gfplux wrote: »

Apparently May and Rudd were so worried as to how the present news on the treatment of minorities would be seen by the EU that they have been having private talks with EU diplomats.
...

You can't guarantee the actions of future governments though. May and Rudd can only be worried about tactical implications.

If you want EU citizens to prosper in a future UK, and vice versa, you aim for good trading relations.

It's down to the politicians on both sides to create the atmosphere ongoing.

All I see is politicking from all sides. Well, we don't need to look that far back in history to see where that can come unstuck.

Lornapink

Herzlos wrote: »

I don't recall Clegg saying that at all; I don't remember anyone denying that we'll likely get a tariff free deal for goods (I stand to be corrected if you have a reference). What has been the narrative is that while we'll get tariff free goods, we won't get services,

Remainer's endlessly told us tariffs would be imposed on goods, how this will cost the poorest most.
Remainer's promised us trade deals take 10 years to negotiate, and that the EU would be imposing tariffs otherwise others would be encouraged to leave.
Watch the key televised debates with Clegg, Chukka and the rest, one of their stock lines was 'in what possible world would the EU offer us tariff free trade once we're outside the club'.

I predicted Remainers would alter their patter when proven wrong, and here you are...

Lornapink

iro wrote: »

For some reason I have always treated Cleggy as a contrary indicator, that is if he is in favour of it I am against it.

Even if there was no other evidence the fact that Cleggy is against Brexit means that I am wildly in favour of it.

Here are some other examples:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1090926/Nick-Clegg-Lib-Dems-birthday-wishes-Cyril-Smith.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/nick-clegg-we-should-consider-joining-the-euro-1515755.html

Clegg & Chukka plenty of times in various TV debates said a Norway type option 'would be the worst of all worlds, democracy by fax, a rule taker with no say on the rules'.


Amazing how they now say we need a Norway type option. Another example of Remain manipulation of the public.

kabayiri

Filo25 wrote: »

A few on the Right of the Tory party would probably regard it as glorious, and May seems to largely bend to their will.

The interesting political question does not refer to either Corbyn or May.

It's who steps up afterwards.

If Brexit can be sold as a 'sell out' for political gain, then it will be.

We might be in for more political instability, not less.

Lornapink

Herzlos wrote: »

I don't recall Clegg saying that at all; I don't remember anyone denying that we'll likely get a tariff free deal for goods (I stand to be corrected if you have a reference). What has been the narrative is that while we'll get tariff free goods, we won't get services,

Clegg warns !!!8216;hard Brexit!!!8217; will lead to 22% EU food tariffs.
(ME - he says unless we have a Norway type deal or remain in the SM, tariffs will apply - at no point did he agree with the Leave line that we would negotiate a wide ranging tariff free goods deal, afterall we're just puny little Britain.)

!!!8220;It!!!8217;s clear that Marmite was just the tip of the iceberg,!!!8221; said Mr Clegg, a former EU trade negotiator. !!!8220;A hard Brexit will lead us off a cliff edge towards higher food prices, with a triple whammy of punishing tariffs, customs checks and workforce shortages.!!!8221;

Mr Clegg is calling for Britain to remain within the EU single market and to seek an interim deal based on Norway!!!8217;s status.


https://www.ft.com/content/7f0c732c-93b8-11e6-a80e-bcd69f323a8b

kabayiri

Has Clegg expressed any concern over the shortage of butter fats which have driven up dairy product prices in recent months?

No. He is just being selective, like any politician.