Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

gfplux

Tromking wrote: »

Eh?
I think Germany’s AfD and France’s Front Nationale (to name just two!) on mainland Europe might disagree.

That’s a very good point. Let us see how well Tory and Labour do in the Council elections on May 3rd.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

The Lords are only doing what the vast majority of the Commons would do if they didn’t have to worry about honouring the will of the British people as espoused in the referendum.
It’s the difference between being elected and appointed I suppose.
I’m beginning to fear for our democracy.

You mean they're not beholden to a right wing fringe or the idea that 51.9% counts as the will of the people?

Because of their position, they can focus on what's best for everyone and not what's the best for their job. It has flaws, sure, but worse than the Tories?

gfplux

It would appear that the +three million EU citizens are right to be suspicious of the Political leaders of the Home Office and its registration system.
Sorry this quote from Politico email does contain the N word.


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No amount of royal razzmatazz or Govian greenwash can disguise the fact this Commonwealth summit has been completely overshadowed by the Windrush immigration fiasco, which makes both the Daily Mail front page and the Guardian splash for the third day running. And the big development overnight is a pretty devastating interview on BBC Newsnight with Bob Kerslake, who was head of the civil service while Theresa May was introducing her ;hostile environment at the Home Office.

Kerslake told presenter Evan Davis that Mays policy had been highly contested; across government, with deeply unhappy ministers believing her approach was ;almost reminiscent of Nazi Germany. And Kerslake went on to say it was completely ridiculous; for ministers to now try to blame civil servants for what happened.You created an environment in which action was going to be taken and there was a risk ; it was obvious to everyone ; that you would take the rough with the smooth, Kerslake said. I think it would be just quite wrong to land this on the civil service. Watch the key moments here and here its fair to say the interview might just make a headline or two this morning.
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Sorry the links do not copy and paste live.

Herzlos

gfplux wrote: »

So you are not sure you will be voting. That is a shame.
I would like to encourage you to use that hard fought for vote.
It does not matter how you do it, in person, by post or using a series of phalluses.

It's commonly accepted as a legitinate way to vote:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/welsh-voter-inadvertently-helps-to-re-elected-tory-mp-after-drawing-penis-on-ballot-paper-10238218.html

You just have to express a clear preference.

gfplux

ilovehouses wrote: »

It's difficult to know what's happening in the background.

The onus is on the UK to find solutions to the Irish border problem and agree them with the EU. Apparently progress is slow.

The EU might fear the UK is setting up a hijack where everything is agreed (including a trade deal) and then, at the last minute, say that the regulatory alignment backstop won't be acceptable after all.

To counter that there has been much less of the silliness being thrown backwards and forwards over the channel so maybe they are working together in good faith and progress is being made.

We could have some flesh on the bone very soon.

Politico say this

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Moving fast: The FT’s James Blitz and George Parker report that David Davis wants the U.K. plan published as quickly as possible and in plenty of detail to steal a march on Michel Barnier, rather than waiting for the EU to publish its own draft texts. “Mr. Davis’ allies have discussed Britain producing a document of more than 50 pages — possibly as early as next month — setting out detailed plans on issues such as a future customs relationship, financial services and regulation,” they write.
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Herzlos

50 pages sounds pretty thin. I'm expecting the final ratified agreement to be north of 1000 pages.

Hopefully we do get a position with actual details in it, but with his track record will any business act on it?

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

Preparing for the worst while planning for the best. Perhaps the British Government should have a go at that.

I see no evidence that the EU is taking your advice.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

I see no evidence that the EU is taking your advice.

I've seen plenty. Like the statement from Rotterdam port, EU advice to businesses to prepare for a hard Brexit, and so on. I'd dig out links but you'll claim they don't count or ignore it anyway.

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

You mean they're not beholden to a right wing fringe or the idea that 51.9% counts as the will of the people?

Because of their position, they can focus on what's best for everyone and not what's the best for their job. It has flaws, sure, but worse than the Tories?

I don’t get this party political right wing Tory Brexit thing.
The problem as I see it for our Parliamentarians is the irksome task of realising what the majority wanted when they voted us out. I get that they don’t want to do it, but most of them realise it has to be done.
Wanting the “best for everyone” is a Remain narrative and to be honest has no mandate when put up against the referendum result.
Genuine question, have you thought through the ramifications if all or some of the 51.9% are not happy the efforts of our political class re. Brexit?

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

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Genuine question, have you thought through the ramifications if all or some of the 51.9% are not happy the efforts of our political class re. Brexit?

I bring it up regularly. I reckon almost none of them will be happy anyway.