Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

wunferall wrote: »

As it appears that in many of your previous posts you are inclined to use your head in that manner, there's nothing much new in your statement.

That would sound a lot like a personal attack if it made any sense. What do you mean?

kabayiri

gfplux wrote: »

Further Brexit related comment from Politico (todays email) updating us all on the progress of talks this week.
We are all hoping for progress.

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Theresa Mays chief sherpa Olly Robbins is due in town today for high-level talks with Michel Barniers deputy Sabine Weyand. The pair had been due to meet a week ago to discuss progress on the Irish border issue, but the summit was postponed due to; erm a lack of progress on the Irish border issue. The mood music remains less than encouraging, with no sign of a breakthrough as yet. Brussels wants this issue sorted by the next European Council at the end of June; and patience is wearing thin. Todays meeting is also something of a landmark, scheduled to cover the U.K.s future trade relationship with the EU the first time the issue has been discussed at this level.
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I thought the EU had a backstop position regards the Irish border?

It feels like an internal issue to me. It won't be the first managed border between EU and non-EU states. It frankly isn't high on the list of things I worry about.

kabayiri

westernpromise wrote: »

Yes I do. As I abhor racism, I will be opposing Labour.

My other half is Jewish and she and her family can smell anti-Semitism like a fart in a lift. If she and they think Corbyn's an anti-Semite, I tend to believe them.

I'm Catholic (reveal) by background, but I don't really get this anti Jewish sentiment.

You can work side by side with many Jewish people and not even know, and nobody has had an issue with me being of Christian background.

It's for the other thread though, I guess.

LHW99

Is Brexit so much more important than what happens locally.

I had assumed by the length of this thread that Brexit was possibly the most important issue since (perhaps) the Scottish independence vote?
Since the arguments here mainly swing between it being a herald of imminent destruction, or the path to a land of milk and honey, I presume local elections won't have such a pull factor on the electorate.

Herzlos

In Brexit news; lords vote for amendments guaranteeing rights post Brexit, and parliamentary approval for leaving customs union. Another attack on sovereignty?

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

I thought the EU had a backstop position regards the Irish border?

It feels like an internal issue to me. It won't be the first managed border between EU and non-EU states. It frankly isn't high on the list of things I worry about.

The backstop is regulatory alignment, or a hard border if the UK reneges on the alignment.

kabayiri

LHW99 wrote: »

I had assumed by the length of this thread that Brexit was possibly the most important issue since (perhaps) the Scottish independence vote?
Since the arguments here mainly swing between it being a herald of imminent destruction, or the path to a land of milk and honey, I presume local elections won't have such a pull factor on the electorate.

Brexit is neither of those 2 positions though I would argue.

We will weather any Brexit storm, just as weathered through the Financial crash.

Equally, Brexit affords new opportunities, but it's silly to think they will come without making compromises. If we want things from India, for example, then they will want things from us.

This is a nuanced position which doesn't sit well with the media circus which surrounded Brexit. We have more media coverage than ever, but it seems to get sliced into ever shorter segments, as though people are unable to manage an attention span more than a few minutes.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

The backstop is regulatory alignment, or a hard border if the UK reneges on the alignment.

Yes, and we mentioned it before, and it exists.

So why the suggestion the EU are getting irate? Or is this more about trying to be seen as the ones driving the agenda again?

iro

'Now I know you looked at the real source I'll spend some time on it, but it does seem to largely agree with you. I haven't seen where it mentions the underemployed though.'


I did not mention the underemployed I mentioned the unemployment rate of 4.2% the lowest since 1975

According to project fear it should be at least 8.5%!

Moby

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/18/ministers-to-announce-brexit-climbdown-as-they-face-lords-defeat

Theresa May was under pressure to reopen the issue of Britain!!!8217;s membership of a customs union after suffering two big defeats in the House of Lords on the government!!!8217;s key Brexit bill.

Peers backed an amendment to the EU withdrawal bill that would force the government to explain what it has done to pursue remaining in a customs union, by 348 votes to 225 !!!8211; a convincing majority of 123.

Government loses two House of Lords votes on EU withdrawal bill !!!8211; as it happened
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The government suffered a significant rebellion on the amendment tabled by crossbench peer Lord Kerr, which received the backing of 24 Conservatives, including former ministers Lord Patten, Lord Heseltine and Lord Willetts. A separate amendment that would limit the power of ministers to slash red tape without the approval of parliament was also passed, by 314 votes to 217.

The debate on the government!!!8217;s key piece of Brexit legislation, in a packed chamber, was watched by the shadow Brexit secretary, Keir Starmer. After the customs union vote, he said: !!!8220;The passing of this cross-party amendment is an important step forward. Theresa May must now listen to the growing chorus of voices who are urging her to drop her red line on a customs union and rethink her approach.!!!8221;