Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Moby

mayonnaise wrote: »

I read it.
Hamish really scored a home run there.
Followed up by some squirming and the usual obfuscation by Brexiteer fanatics.
And?

Wunferall is firing chaff in the air to distract from the fact he's squirming like a worm on a pin.

gfplux

Lornapink wrote: »

England has the highest proportion of citizens living abroad compared with other western nations, 10%.
I watch a nature documentary about Thailand and find out there's an eccentric Englishman living way out in the jungle protecting snakes, or one living on a remote island in the Bahamas protecting Iguana's.
I go to far flung places and who's running the dive school, an Englishman, occasionally a German or other nationality, but by far the highest proportion English.


I go on the beach in Italy or Indonesia, English music playing (or American), never French, never Chinese.


I see the WWW was invented by an Englishman, that the first text was by a English telephone enthusiast engineer.


I could go on and on. If there's one thing we're not, it's conformist.


When travelling I often notice how conformist Italians, Germans et al are. Far less adventurous in food - I found Italy very boring once I'd had a few pasta's and so on - all a bit samey. I notice they are so conformist regards drinking, clutching a single beer all night as that's what their culture tells them is a condition of worth.


You clearly have never been on an international course of you think we are conformist, lol

That is an interesting stastistic. 10% is +/- 6 million Brits living abroad. Where did you see this interesting fact.

gfplux

westernpromise wrote: »

I didn't vote at all because both sides' arguments were poor and dishonest, either outright or by omission, but what Remain could have done to get me to support it was to explain

1/ Remain in what, exactly? and, relatedly,
2/ admit the goal of political and monetary union into the EU and explain why it would be good for Britain, or at the very least, why everything else about the EU is so beneficial that it is worth our eventually accepting political and monetary union.

As far as I recall, the first was never articulated at all. The lie-by-omission here was that we could somehow Remain in something identical to what we were in at that date, which of course was not possible; the trajectory has been that we become more and more integrated. In the wake of a Remain vote, further integration would have been demanded and justified on the grounds that we had voted to Remain.

That might be fine if someone were prepared to admit to that and explain why such integration post-Remain would be good. The history of the last 25-odd years, however, has been denial that any such thing is contemplated.

I think part of the problem Remain had was that when you've a 25-year history of lying about the EU and its direction of travel, to assert that your opponents are lying carries no weight at all even if you are believed.

That essentially was my issue with each side. What I wanted to hear advocated was studiously avoided.

Of course there were Leave lies too. Leave was obviously lying when it said that we could prosper trading on WTO terms outside the EU. Well, we could do that now with countries with whom the EU has no treaty, but do we? Er, no.

I have no real view either way except to note that, like trying to find WW1 on a 100-year time series of male mortality, it will prove surprisingly hard in the future to find Brexit on charts of economic indicators.

I can only say, I am sad that you did not use your vote in the referendum.
I assume you always vote in your local council elections and General elections.

gfplux

Which of the posters on this thread will be able to vote two weeks tomorrow in local elections.
That is assuming local and/or mayoral elections are taking place in their area.
Those that do have the opportunity, will there be many who refuse to use their Democratic right to vote.
The turnout for the referendum in June 2016 (only 21 months ago) was over 72%. The Council elections typically have a turnout of 35%. Which suggests one in two voters who participated in the referendum will NOT vote on May 3rd.
Is Brexit so much more important than what happens locally. To put it the other way, are local affairs are only half as important as national ones.

wunferall

mayonnaise wrote: »

I read it.
Hamish really scored a home run there.
Followed up by some squirming and the usual obfuscation by Brexiteer fanatics.
And?

With respect :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: "Home run" :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

The only squirming here is that of remainers like yourself. Still no source for your previous wild claims I see. Should I do as your somewhat infantile-looking compatriot ilovehouses does and provide (an estimation of) counting how many times you've been unable to answer?

gfplux

Politico have this Brexit related words over the Windrush catastrophe.
Perhaps all posters on this thread should check their British passports!

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The Telegraph carries an interview with the European Parliaments Brexit co-ordinator Guy Verhofstadt, who suggests the Home Offices treatment of Windrush immigrants does not bode well for the post-Brexit migration system. This could be worrying for millions of EU citizens in the U.K. who may fear that they could face similar treatment after Brexit, he says. The Home Office has agreed to come to the European Parliament to explain their proposed registration system for EU nationals and I expect MEPs will rightly want safeguards.
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wunferall

Moby wrote: »

Wunferall is firing chaff in the air to distract from the fact he's squirming like a worm on a pin.

See above but thank you for the inestimable usefulness of your on-topic contribution.

wunferall

Sorry remainers but Canada wants a deal ready for Brexit + 1:

Trudeau wants Canada-UK trade deal to "flip over" the day after Brexit

He thinks it shouldn't take long either.
http://www.cityam.com/284263/trudeau-wants-canada-uk-trade-deal-flip-over-day-after

gfplux

Further Brexit related comment from Politico (todays email) updating us all on the progress of talks this week.
We are all hoping for progress.

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Theresa Mays chief sherpa Olly Robbins is due in town today for high-level talks with Michel Barniers deputy Sabine Weyand. The pair had been due to meet a week ago to discuss progress on the Irish border issue, but the summit was postponed due to; erm a lack of progress on the Irish border issue. The mood music remains less than encouraging, with no sign of a breakthrough as yet. Brussels wants this issue sorted by the next European Council at the end of June; and patience is wearing thin. Todays meeting is also something of a landmark, scheduled to cover the U.K.s future trade relationship with the EU the first time the issue has been discussed at this level.
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wunferall

gfplux wrote: »

Politico have this Brexit related words over the Windrush catastrophe.
Perhaps all posters on this thread should check their British passports!

I think that modern technology is just a little more advanced nowadays than it was in the 40's & 50's, don't you? Plus we're much less likely for the government to decide to destroy records as the Labour government of 2009 did with the landing cards. TBH it beats me why they hadn't already been digitized by then.