Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Lornapink

gfplux wrote: »

A Tory minister last night suggested the grand plan for avoiding traffic delays and jams at Dover after Brexit is... to not check trucks.

The fundamental difference between Leavers & Remainers for me is that where we see an issue that needs to be resolved, Remainers see an insurmountable problem that is somehow fixed in aspic for all time, so we just have to accept this or give up.


You can call this Unicorns & Rainbows if you please, but we call it common sense.

Lornapink

gfplux wrote: »

The suggestion is that there will be difficulties at Dover. Very silly.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-forensics-playing-chicken-with-the-channel-tunnel-11291767

And so your answer to this is we just give up, call it day and accept reality is ordained?


Nah.

Lornapink

Moby wrote: »

all I hear from brexiteers are aspirations and hopes.

All I hear from Remainers is a feeble whimper, a chronic lack of grit and determination. C'mon boys, surely you're not this easily intimidated & cowed?

What do you expect us to say? That we must give up on a transformative revolution because some bean counters chart says so?

gfplux

Lornapink wrote: »

The fundamental difference between Leavers & Remainers for me is that where we see an issue that needs to be resolved, Remainers see an insurmountable problem that is somehow fixed in aspic for all time, so we just have to accept this or give up.


You can call this Unicorns & Rainbows if you please, but we call it common sense.

This issue is easily resolved. Just build as quickly as possible, but before end December 2020 a huge lorry park outside Dover. Employ and train 500 to 1000 or more customs officers to check the lorrys.
There, the problem is solved by using common sense. Easy.

Except the Government says there is no need for checks.
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-43425055/chris-grayling-no-post-brexit-lorry-checks-at-dover?SThisFB

Thats Government using common sense or a rainbow

Next problem please, oh that could be Calais. OK I leave that to your common sense and a rainbow.

gfplux

Lornapink wrote: »

And so your answer to this is we just give up, call it day and accept reality is ordained?


Nah.

Of course not give up. Solve the problem using common sense, oh and loads of money.

Or go to fantasy land like...
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-43425055/chris-grayling-no-post-brexit-lorry-checks-at-dover?SThisFB

gfplux

OK, lets stop joking.
A Government Minister has said what he said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-43425055/chris-grayling-no-post-brexit-lorry-checks-at-dover?SThisFB

Surely no one on either side believes this is possible. Unless he is playing games and the checks will happen at a huge lorry park 10 miles outside Dover.

I surely dont need to remind posters that Britain is leaving the EU so creating a BORDER.
Where in the world is there a border where lorrys carrying goods do not get checked, EXCEPT inside the EU.
Answers on a postcard. I am looking forward to the answers. Go on.

letitbe90

Lornapink wrote: »

Remainers tell me we mustn't 'descend' into being a low tax Singapore. Yet Singapore has a great economy and fantastic social housing system.
Japan has tiny immigration, very low unemployment and of course they're richer than us all done in the absence of the miracle mass immigration we're told is essential. I suspect they even manage to train enough nurses & get the fruit picked.

Although Singapore is doing well, would not want to become like Japan with an aging population, soul-destroying work culture and a myriad of other issues.

Anyway, roll on Brexit, I don't see us becoming better off - it is just a matter of how much worse off do we become.

gfplux

Well this open border might be the Governments new cunning plan!

Now that is what I call taking back control!!!!

http://www.businessinsider.de/theresa-may-government-planning-open-borders-in-no-deal-brexit-2018-3?r=UK&IR=T

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LONDON; The UK government is reportedly considering making Britain's borders completely open to the European Union after Brexit if it crashes out of negotiations with no deal in place.

Earlier this week it was reported the government had signed "many dozens" of non-disclosure agreements with firms which operate on Britain's borders, prohibiting them from disclosing how Brexit could impact cross-border trade.

The greatest fear for British industries which export to the EU is a no-deal Brexit. In that scenario, Britain would leave the single market and customs union with no UK-EU free trade deal in place, and default to WTO trading rules.
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buglawton

gfplux wrote: »

This was said by a Minister on Question Time so it must be true.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-minister-suggests-plan-avoiding-12197899?utm_source=POLITICO.EU&utm_campaign=f9777b3210-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_03_16&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_10959edeb5-f9777b3210-190026745

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A Tory minister last night suggested the grand plan for avoiding traffic delays and jams at Dover after Brexit is... to not check trucks.
Estimates suggest that just a two minute check on lorries would result in queues 29 miles long.
The Transport Secretary seemed to admit that the Governments plan for avoiding delays and traffic jams of trucks entering the UK post-Brexit is to simply not check them.
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Surely the goods check can be done at the same time that random or profiled (ie based on some info about a vehicles provenance) stowaway checks are done on vehicles?
Or is only one out of goods/stowaways type of checks needed?

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

I surely dont need to remind posters that Britain is leaving the EU so creating a BORDER.

We aleady have a border. Unlike Europe where they've been removed. The days of checking the contents of every single vehicle ceased a very long time ago.