Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

buglawton

ilovehouses wrote: »

Isn't the UK currently enjoying record levels of employment?

Brexiteers have been at pains to point out the economy is going gangbusters; whilst shackled to a customs union.

4.3% for the UK. Japan and Singapore have half that.

Admittedly there is a record number of workers in the UK, because there’s a record number of people.

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

I agreed with much you say above myself but changed my mind about him when I met him through my union. He believes in a unified Ireland so what.....I do!..there is no evidence that he supported any violence though in the pursuit of that aim. As for the rest of it he doesn't toe the line of the traditional western stance. Every western Gomvt has supported repressive regimes of one sort or another. Thatcher liked Pinochet, Blair shook hands with Gaddafi and May likes the Saudis. Why does Corbyn therefore deserve extra dollops of opproprium and suspicion? Imo it's because he is more anti establishment than the others and doesn't play the game in the way expected of him. That's why he is different and a breath of fresh air. That's why young people like him and they are not so concerned with his past. The one thing I totally disagree with him on is Europe but on this my position is basically....... he's offering a softer brexit than the tories and I totally agree with his social policies so that's good enough for me. I don't deify him at all but being practical he offers for the first time in many years a genuine difference to what has been before.

I don't think it's as easy as that he has certainly refused to condemn certain regimes and groups and gives his stock answer I condemn all violence.

The reason young people like him is he offers them everything the reason many older voters don't like him is because we realise what he is offering is unrealistic and unaffordable and his costings don't add up. Most of the hardline Tories would not vote Labour under any circumstances but those of us who would like to see a fairer society and better public services are left with no one to vote for.

Thrugelmir

cogito wrote: »

He's simply trying to undermine the government in the hope of winning power.

Sadly that sums those at the top of the opposition party. More interested in their own agenda. Than actually representing the country as a whole. Corbyn being elected would be similar to that of Trump. Resulting in a divided nation. Which has the potential to become poisionous.

Rough_Justice

ilovehouses wrote: »

Despite the record number of people unemployment is at multi decade lows.

But, yes, it's awful news and proves we were right to leave the EU.

Given that the EU average is 7.8% yes it is another reason why we were right to leave.
After all, the EU haven't exactly helped Greece have they?
Or Spain.
Or Italy.
Or France.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/268830/unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

Staying in a customs union means not being able to make trade deals with other countries. That's going to be great for jobs, I don't think.

Can you name a single trading option denied to us currently, that'll generate jobs?

Rough_Justice

Herzlos wrote: »

Can you name a single trading option denied to us currently, that'll generate jobs?

Yes.

Quite a few actually.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

Can you name a single trading option denied to us currently, that'll generate jobs?

There's an imbalance in the UK economy with the high dependence on service industries. GDP grew by £34b in 2016. Consumer debt by £152b. Hardly surprising that the UK growth story is running out of steam. As was never sustainable. Shouldn't be a surprise as the facts have been in the public domain for long enough.

Herzlos

Rough_Justice wrote: »

Yes.

Quite a few actually.

Go on. What are they?

Arklight

ukcarper wrote: »

I don't think it's as easy as that he has certainly refused to condemn certain regimes and groups and gives his stock answer I condemn all violence.

The reason young people like him is he offers them everything the reason many older voters don't like him is because we realise what he is offering is unrealistic and unaffordable and his costings don't add up. Most of the hardline Tories would not vote Labour under any circumstances but those of us who would like to see a fairer society and better public services are left with no one to vote for.

The national debt has doubled under the Tories to £555 billion. The party who claimed they would eliminate a yearly deficit in 5 years and then begin producing a surplus, has left us with ballooning debt with no end in sight.

And oh look, there'll be a fire sale of the NHS to American health companies because there isn’t any money after 8 years of the Tories for anything other than selling off the few things that remain in public ownership.

Any pretence that the Conservatives are good stewards of the economy is complete bunkum. The UK simply cannot afford another term of the Tories. They’ve borrowed more than every Labour government put together now and their only strategy for raising revenue is to give the rich tax cuts, hand out £9 billion a year in housing benefit to private landlords, and slash spending to the bone, while pulling up the drawbridge in some paroxysm of xenophobia to two dozen countries we are happily aligned with.

The reason that 'older voters' such as yourself don’t like Corbyn has nothing to do with you wanting a fairer society, better public services, and being worried that Labour's costed manifesto doesn’t add up.

The reason you don’t like him is that you are right wing. You're not centre left, you aren’t centrist, you aren’t even centre right. You are right wing and all this silly, “Oh I vote Tory but I have to hold my nose I just don’t have any alternative,” is nonsense.

ukcarper

The national debt is always going to increase all the the time there is a deficit.

I've never voted Tory most likely never will and as for being right wing you have no idea what I would and what I wouldn't vote for but I certainly won't vote for a party with a fantasy tax raising policy and plan of runaway spending.